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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2019, 12:52:51 PM »
So you're suggesting what exactly? The NZ PM say nothing and "do more"? What more exactly do you want her to have done?

What they really want?

They want guns banned across the board. They want free speech criminalized. It's simple: AOC and her cohorts will set the rules of what is considered "hate speech" and will prosecute accordingly. All hate coming from the Left will be given a pass and all hate coming from the right will be criminalized.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2019, 12:53:30 PM »
"Meaningless thoughts and prayers"? Well, I suppose if you are an atheist then it's meaningless.

"We want action!". What action would that be?
Please read what I wrote. If you believe they are not sincere then yes they are meaningless. She/I did not say prayers are meaningless.

I am going to take a wild guess and the action the relatives of the victims are talking about is gun control.

Again don't shoot the messenger. 

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2019, 12:54:37 PM »
Please read what I wrote. If you believe they are not sincere then yes they are meaningless. She/I did not say prayers are meaningless.

I am going to take a wild guess and the action the relatives of the victims are talking about is gun control.

Again don't shoot the messenger.
Chaim, why would you think they're not sincere?

There is gun control in NZ.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2019, 12:56:04 PM »
I think that it was pretty obvious what she meant. Instead of taking action, some people, especially those in power, offer meaningless statements of sympathy.
Of course it was obvious what she meant. Some just choose not to acknowledge it because she says so many stupid things.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2019, 12:57:07 PM »
Why would you think they're not sincere?
I am going on the premise she is talking about Trump's comments.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2019, 12:58:56 PM »
I am going on the premise she is talking about Trump's comments.
She's responding to a statement from the NZ prime minister, I don't see where this has anything to do with Trump

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2019, 12:58:59 PM »
What they really want?

They want guns banned across the board. They want free speech criminalized. It's simple: AOC and her cohorts will set the rules of what is considered "hate speech" and will prosecute accordingly. All hate coming from the Left will be given a pass and all hate coming from the right will be criminalized.

OK, so all the whining against the PM's (in all likelihood sincere) sympathy should be discarded as "meaningless and ineffective" and instead we (read: AOC and her cohorts) should blast her for not using her DeLorean, going back in the past, and outlawing (all? semi-automatic? automatic?) firearms?

What will they think of next? Par for the course with that one.
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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2019, 01:03:20 PM »
She's responding to a statement from the NZ prime minister, I don't see where this has anything to do with Trump
Her comments are about the US.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2019, 01:05:11 PM »
While I get your point, in this case their enemy happens to also be our enemy. The guy who shot up the shul in Pittsburg did it for the SAME reason this guy shot up the mosque. White supremacists believe that the Jews are "opening the floodgates" of Western countries and purposely pouring in millions of Muslims to outnumber and exterminate the White race.

I'm not suggesting that you read what they write, but it's always good to know your enemy. I was reading 8chan last night based on a thread I saw on Reddit, before the mainstream media even broke the story about this shooting, and there were hoards of Neo Nazis celebrating this guy as a hero and cheering him on. He actually posted on 8chan about what he was going to do and told his Nazi buddies to follow his livestream on Facebook. After he shot up the first mosque, he got away in his car and the livestream cut off. They were begging him to shoot up a synagogue. I have screenshots of this.

They were ultimately pissed that he didn't attack any Jews, and that in his manifesto he wrote that as long as the Jews "stay in Israel" and don't migrate he won't attack them.
I am familiar, but the difference between us and them, is that there aren't any sect of jews carrying out terror attacks randomly the way radical Muslims do. So along comes someone who can't comprehend they're not all radical, and kills the innocent for the deeds of the radical. While completely wrong, it can at least be "masked" with avenging those lost to terror(a well person would understand this isn't so). Killing jews seems to jest be pure hatred. Regardless, I've said more than I'd like to on the topic, so I'll let it rest, as should the souls of all those killed.
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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2019, 01:06:43 PM »
What should we learn from this? That letting in immigrants brings out the deranged individuals?
I don't know, but if something like this happens, we can't undo it. I always pray that at the very least something good can come from it. What that is? I don't know.
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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2019, 01:11:31 PM »
I don't know, but if something like this happens, we can't undo it. I always pray that at the very least something good can come from it. What that is? I don't know.
Unfortunately history has shown us noting good has come from these attacks. That is why "thoughts and prayers" are not the answer.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2019, 01:12:09 PM »
I am familiar, but the difference between us and them, is that there aren't any sect of jews carrying out terror attacks randomly the way radical Muslims do. So along comes someone who can't comprehend they're not all radical, and kills the innocent for the deeds of the radical. While completely wrong, it can at least be "masked" with avenging those lost to terror(a well person would understand this isn't so). Killing jews seems to jest be pure hatred. Regardless, I've said more than I'd like to on the topic, so I'll let it rest, as should the souls of all those killed.

They don't either understand that not all Jews are George Soros. They don't understand that not all Jews push an intersectional, interracial agenda or force people to accept that males and females are interchangeable. They don't understand that not all Jews are Karl Marx or Leon Trotsky. In fact, those so called "Jews" are not religious at all and don't care about Judaism in the least. Yet the meme propaganda that White Supremacist Nazis post are always of Jews with a beard, yarmulke and payos -- the Jews that are actually Right wing and Conservative.

These people hate Jews far more than they hate Muslims. They are angry and writing how this was all in vain because "he didn't mention the Jew" in his manifesto and that he didn't kill even one Jew.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2019, 01:13:51 PM »
I am going on the premise she is talking about Trump's comments.
Her comments are about the US.
Just saw this:
So nothing directly to do with Trump, although I don't understand what her problem is with the NRA when NZ already has very strict gun laws.

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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2019, 01:15:00 PM »
Unfortunately history has shown us noting good has come from these attacks. That is why "thoughts and prayers" are not the answer.
All I can do is pray.
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Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2019, 01:15:16 PM »
What is she trying to say?

She clarified in a later tweet that she is politicizing this event for her anti individual rights/gun rights agenda.