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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2019, 12:40:03 AM »
The only reason to pick on the 1% parties is because it's an easy target for the 99%.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #106 on: March 26, 2019, 12:40:20 AM »
Do you honestly think that's not going to happen at all if we "shut down" certain parties?

While nobody is capable of literally preventing such parties, raising awareness is certainly a good thing!
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #107 on: March 26, 2019, 12:41:38 AM »
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 the moshol with the Tesla being about image is for sure not by all people.

I would gladly buy a Tesla that has a Camry shell. (as long as I like the way it looks) Nothing to do with the head turning I'd get. If anything I get more of a image boost thingy out of my current jalopy of a car due to it's uniqueness.
There's definitely a certain image that having a Tesla portrays to the public, regardless of the price. That doesn't mean that image had anything to do with anyone's reasons for purchasing their car though.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #108 on: March 26, 2019, 12:44:03 AM »
You're just deluding yourself as to who and what is to blame for the kind's of behavior that the writer of the letter says is happening at these parties.

I don't think anyone is deluding themselves by saying that there is room to blame the people that actually pay for events that result in kids getting so slammed that Hatzalah needs to constantly be dashing into the place. It's a super logical conclusion.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #109 on: March 26, 2019, 12:44:47 AM »
There's definitely a certain image that having a Tesla portrays to the public, regardless of the price. That doesn't mean that image had anything to do with anyone's reasons for purchasing their car though.
Only because people don't realize that they can go buy one today for $30K. Within a year or 2 at the most, everyone and their mother will have one.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #110 on: March 26, 2019, 12:47:15 AM »
I think they should do both. They should worry about themselves and worry about issues that affect the Jewish community. It isn't mutually exclusive.
Jealousy isn't a pretty image. Do you also protest teens mingling at pizza shops on motzash?

The whole concept of worrying about what others spend is just so strange.

Someone in shul this past Shabbos was saying how nobody should spend more than $20 on all their shaluch manos combined as anything more than $20 should be allocated to better causes.

I said I spent $4 each (A box of P"Y Oreo thins and a small bottle of chocolate milk) on 50 that we gave out and don't regret that at all, in fact many people commented how nice it was to having something they weren't going to dump right into the trash while others commented how this was the first time in their life they had ever gotten to eat Oreos.

To which the person responded, but why not allocate the $180 towards tzedaka. I said what I gave to tzedaka is quite frankly none of your business, but I gave generously to many causes on Purim and that the number would be no different had I spent $20 or $200 on Shaluch manos. So why kvetch about what others spend on it?
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #111 on: March 26, 2019, 12:56:02 AM »
Jealousy isn't a pretty image. Do you also protest teens mingling at pizza shops on motzash?

The whole concept of worrying about what others spend is just so strange.

Someone in shul this past Shabbos was saying how nobody should spend more than $20 on all their shaluch manos combined as anything more than $20 should be allocated to better causes.

I said I spent $4 each (A box of P"Y Oreo thins and a small bottle of chocolate milk) on 50 that we gave out and don't regret that at all, in fact many people commented how nice it was to having something they weren't going to dump right into the trash while others commented how this was the first time in their life they had ever gotten to eat Oreos.

To which the person responded, but why not allocate the $180 towards tzedaka. I said what I gave to tzedaka is quite frankly none of your business, but I gave generously to many causes on Purim and that the number would be no different had I spent $20 or $200 on Shaluch manos. So why kvetch about what others spend on it?

I agree that in many instances people shouldn't care. Keeping up with the Cohens is stupid. Who cares about what the next guy spends on his shaluch manos?

BUT that doesn't mean we should ignore it in all instances. If someone decides to throw a wild, expensive Purim party that results in little kids getting hammered, inappropriate mingling, Hatzolah needing to haul away stone drunk kids ....then I'm sure the Torah wants us to care. And the point about mingling at pizza shops is probably something we as a community should care about, but it wasn't the topic of this thread.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #112 on: March 26, 2019, 01:02:24 AM »
Who cares about what the next guy spends on his shaluch manos?
I'd guess people like you. Once you care about what car someone drives or how nice their bar mitzvahs are, it becomes an obsession and you can about it all.

I agree that in many instances people shouldn't care. Keeping up with the Cohens is stupid. Who cares about what the next guy spends on his shaluch manos?

BUT that doesn't mean we should ignore it in all instances. If someone decides to throw a wild, expensive Purim party that results in little kids getting hammered, inappropriate mingling, Hatzolah needing to haul away stone drunk kids ....then I'm sure the Torah wants us to care. And the point about mingling at pizza shops is probably something we as a community should care about, but it wasn't the topic of this thread.
Back to my original problem with the article. Decide what exactly the beef is, Rabbis, fancy parties, or unsupervised kids?
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #113 on: March 26, 2019, 01:05:08 AM »
Only because people don't realize that they can go buy one today for $30K. Within a year or 2 at the most, everyone and their mother will have one.
Wasn't saying it had any basis in reality, just that the image that Tesla built up around themselves is still there even when you're driving a base model 3.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #114 on: March 26, 2019, 01:08:45 AM »
I'd guess people like you. Once you care about what car someone drives or how nice their bar mitzvahs are, it becomes an obsession and you can about it all.
Well, you would be wrong. I care about parties that are atrocious like in the letter and somebody used Tesla as a comparison to which I agreed. You became defensive because you blog about owning one. But if you are right that Tesla is a bad comparison, then I'm all for using another example. Rolls Royce. There we go. Now we can all sing the Kumbaya.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #115 on: March 26, 2019, 01:09:45 AM »
Wasn't saying it had any basis in reality, just that the image that Tesla built up around themselves is still there even when you're driving a base model 3.
The image was built based on years of selling 6 figure cars and falcon doors.

There's no way they keep that image as the Model 3 and Y go mainstream. There's nothing luxurious about a Model 3 other than it being high-tech and fun to drive.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #116 on: March 26, 2019, 01:11:10 AM »
Well, you would be wrong. I care about parties that are atrocious like in the letter and somebody used Tesla as a comparison to which I agreed. You became defensive because you blog about owning one. But if you are right that Tesla is a bad comparison, then I'm all for using another example. Rolls Royce. There we go. Now we can all sing the Kumbaya.
If someone handed out millions of dollars in checks from his Rolls on Purim I wouldn't care about that either. I don't understand why you care so much about what other people spend their money on at all, it's non of your business. As Dan said, pick which part you actually care about and we can address it but you're just all over the place spewing nonsense.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #117 on: March 26, 2019, 01:14:23 AM »
If someone handed out millions of dollars in checks from his Rolls on Purim I wouldn't care about that either.

If only that was the issue. Again, you probably never read the letter or don't care about what it said. It was about wild Purim parties that were dangerous, and more. I hope that isn't difficult to comprehend.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #118 on: March 26, 2019, 01:14:29 AM »
@Dan could I redeem my HT for a DO in your tesla?

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #119 on: March 26, 2019, 01:15:46 AM »
I'm with JJ here. This is so dumb it does not merit a response.
Pure suburban Clevelander soul.. You sure have no image intentions.. but here in the "city" (Brooklyn,Lakewood etc) there is surely an image factor of driving a Tesla when the rest of the people didn't gave up yet the Siennas and Oddesys..