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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #195 on: March 26, 2019, 03:58:58 PM »
One more point - the letter/article does not deign to mention any names or actually call anyone out, but it wants OTHER people do so.

#hypocrite?

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #196 on: March 26, 2019, 04:00:52 PM »
One more point - the letter/article does not deign to mention any names or actually call anyone out, but it wants OTHER people do so.

#hypocrite?
No it does not . Read it slowly and carefully.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #197 on: March 26, 2019, 04:27:13 PM »
One more point - the letter/article does not deign to mention any names or actually call anyone out, but it wants OTHER people do so.

#hypocrite?
He does call out Rabbis

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #198 on: March 26, 2019, 04:32:43 PM »
No it does not . Read it slowly and carefully.

I did. Here are some sample quotes:

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and not a word from the Rabbonim...The Roshei Yeshiva and Rabbonim should ban every one of these parties.

Translation: I'm not going to actually call anyone out, that seems a bit risky for my own taste, I'm going to write an anonymous letter. But I would like all rabbanim to take a public stance against all the things I think are wrong with the world.

An added note - he's basically disrespecting all daas torah, despite the fact that there may be many rabbanim who do make statements to their kehillah about what they should or should not be doing. But because it's not loud enough for this letter-writer, he saying that "all rabbanim" (a heterogeneous group, as we all know) are culpable.

He does call out Rabbis

LOL. How about calling out specific people making parties that horrify him so?

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2019, 04:43:17 PM »
I did. Here are some sample quotes:

Translation: I'm not going to actually call anyone out, that seems a bit risky for my own taste, I'm going to write an anonymous letter. But I would like all rabbanim to take a public stance against all the things I think are wrong with the world.

An added note - he's basically disrespecting all daas torah, despite the fact that there may be many rabbanim who do make statements to their kehillah about what they should or should not be doing. But because it's not loud enough for this letter-writer, he saying that "all rabbanim" (a heterogeneous group, as we all know) are culpable.

LOL. How about calling out specific people making parties that horrify him so?
He is asking the Rabbonim to get involved.
Thatís the right way to do it . Why are you bashing the Shliach/messenger??
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #200 on: March 26, 2019, 05:16:17 PM »
He is asking the Rabbonim to get involved.
Thatís the right way to do it . Why are you bashing the Shliach/messenger??
seems like you're confused on the methodology of asking a Rav to get involved. You seem to think that writing an anonymous letter on a website is the way to do it, as opposed to speaking to said Rav  in person..
May you slide down the banister of happiness & get many splinters of success up your career.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #201 on: March 26, 2019, 05:51:57 PM »
This is evolving into one of the most pointless threads Iíve seen in a while- even for JS

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #202 on: March 26, 2019, 05:55:41 PM »
seems like you're confused on the methodology of asking a Rav to get involved. You seem to think that writing an anonymous letter on a website is the way to do it, as opposed to speaking to said Rav  in person..
Thatís terribly naive . I would assume you have limited experience in this area .
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #203 on: March 26, 2019, 06:55:38 PM »
My point is that he's asking "rabbanim" to do something he himself is not willing to do - actually call people out by name.

Ergo, #hypocrite.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #204 on: March 26, 2019, 07:50:58 PM »
My point is that he's asking "rabbanim" to do something he himself is not willing to do - actually call people out by name.

Ergo, #hypocrite.
He, as a layman can not call people out by name . He technically can , but than will have to deal with all the holier than thou types shouting Lashon Hora !
So He correctly turns to Our Rabbonim to deal with this . Since He has past experience , He knows nothing will happen unless he makes ď big issue ď out of it .
Look how many pages this has created ! How many comments on the original website!
Hopefully our Leaders will now speak up and deal with the issue .
Is this the nicest way to deal with the issue ? No
But this is what works !
Use common sense or ask people with experience before you whine about this method.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #205 on: March 26, 2019, 08:59:37 PM »
Whoever calls people out by name will have to deal with the fallout - which is why he doesn't want to do it, even in an anonymous letter.

BTW, I'd point out that if it's genuinely an issue of pikuach nefashos, with "countless" young boys being taken to the hospital, then the letter writer should have called the cops.

But you seem to feel that my responses are validating the letter writer, and for that reason, I'm out.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #207 on: March 27, 2019, 10:54:19 AM »
@Dan I am shocked that you let him bait you- what happened to not warranting a response?

Not to mention that your discussion and every other comment (stopped reading at page 9) has been about condoning or deflecting the main topic, responsibility of the community to stand up for what is not acceptable. Its not about money, image, flamboyant behavior, tzedaka, rabbonim, rich people poor people, kavod, tayvos. Its about what is appropriate and what isn't, and the community's responsibility and obligation to condemn that which deserves condemnation, in face of the shaming from people who say "how dare you speak, until you gave, until you made money. How dare you tell people how to live ect. ect. How dare you attempt to control something outside of yourself ect. ect. (see previous pages for the well articulated horse extrements)

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #208 on: March 30, 2019, 09:01:59 PM »
There's definitely a certain image that having a Tesla portrays to the public, regardless of the price. That doesn't mean that image had anything to do with anyone's reasons for purchasing their car though.

I walked out of shul in Lakewood to use the bathroom towards the end of mussaf today and there were a bunch of upper 20s- lower 30ís age working guys in the hall talking about teslas- range, battery performance etc. I can tell you that if someone would have brought up a Camry in that conversation it would not have gone well....

If having a Tesla is not a status symbal, being conversant in all things Tesla definitely is....

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #209 on: March 30, 2019, 09:25:49 PM »

If having a Tesla is not a status symbal, being conversant in all things Tesla definitely is....
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