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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2019, 06:21:33 PM »
Jealousy so strong that it blinds common sense R"L.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #76 on: March 25, 2019, 06:49:08 PM »
As do the other two

100%. And to the point of this thread, throwing a retardedly expensive Purim party with singers, bands, waiters, expensive booze, bouncers, etc. is a glorious example of kavod seeking that causes kinah and taavah. What a colossal shame.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2019, 06:55:27 PM »
100%. And to the point of this thread, throwing a retardedly expensive Purim party with singers, bands, waiters, expensive booze, bouncers, etc. is a glorious example of kavod seeking that causes kinah and taavah. What a colossal shame.
Why do you propose to know why all of these people make these parties? Besides for the fact that somebody else's "struggle" with kavod is, quite frankly, none of your business.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2019, 07:17:04 PM »
It would be fun if you could finagle about why the whole issue of wealthy people creating wild parties doesn't bother you much considering your own admission of zealotry.
Or it does bother him but he is not bothered by the rabbonim not "banning" it.
As I posted already, inappropriate Purim parties are not at all restricted to the 1%.

I know of regular middle class couples who celebrated in a way that I would deem to be very inappropriate as well. And this all does technically bother me. Would you really like a 1000 word essay/rant against the new shallow culture of materialism? Meh, I don't have the energy..

So what exactly is the big deal if some rich dude throws a ridiculous party? To me personally it does absolutely nothing to impress, I basically couldn't care less.. I may shake my head and mutter something about kids these days...

Whoever wrote that OP letter though is despicable. They obviously hate rabbonim and we're just looking for an excuse to disparage them. It has nothing to do with the writers great pains about the party. I won't be jumping on that bandwagon.. this whole crises has nothing to do with the poor loser who needed to show off his success... Let them enjoy it.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2019, 07:18:42 PM »
As I posted already, inappropriate Purim parties are not at all restricted to the 1%.

I know of regular middle class couples who celebrated in a way that I would deem to be very inappropriate as well. And this all does technically bother me. Would you really like a 1000 word essay/rant against the new shallow culture of materialism? Meh, I don't have the energy..

So what exactly is the big deal if some rich dude throws a ridiculous party? To me personally it does absolutely nothing to impress, I basically couldn't care less.. I may shake my head and mutter something about kids these days...

Whoever wrote that OP letter though is despicable. They obviously hate rabbonim and we're just looking for an excuse to disparage them. It has nothing to do with the writers great pains about the party. I won't be jumping on that bandwagon.. this whole crises has nothing to do with the poor loser who needed to show off his success... Let them enjoy it.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2019, 08:15:22 PM »
I was by 2 such parties in Lakewood on Purim. One allegedly spent upwards of 250k for one night. We are talking mbd, full bar, massive band a whole team of bouncers and the list goes on and on. The other was prob in the 100k range. These are young guys that have something to prove. They want to show they are in the big leauges. Remember rechnitz used to do this every year until he stopped.

Not sure why we need rabbonim to shut it down. Everyone should watch their own kids.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2019, 09:05:25 PM »
I was by 2 such parties in Lakewood on Purim. One allegedly spent upwards of 250k for one night. We are talking mbd, full bar, massive band a whole team of bouncers and the list goes on and on. The other was prob in the 100k range. These are young guys that have something to prove. They want to show they are in the big leauges. Remember rechnitz used to do this every year until he stopped.

Not sure why we need rabbonim to shut it down. Everyone should watch their own kids.

My kids like to show off their purim fireworks. Who cares?

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2019, 09:29:22 PM »
When I see Over The Top Weddings/Bar Mitzvah's or even Brissn, I say I wish I would have the ability to afford such an event along with the brains not to make such an event.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #83 on: March 25, 2019, 10:23:31 PM »
100%. And to the point of this thread, throwing a retardedly expensive Purim party with singers, bands, waiters, expensive booze, bouncers, etc. is a glorious example of kavod seeking that causes kinah and taavah. What a colossal shame.


It seems safer to assume self image is involved rather then not.

All I can assume here is that you both have no clue what the others reasoning is.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2019, 11:52:49 PM »
Why do you propose to know why all of these people make these parties? Besides for the fact that somebody else's "struggle" with kavod is, quite frankly, none of your business.


All I can assume here is that you both have no clue what the others reasoning is.

Actually, somebody else's struggle for kavod is everyone else's business when it is clearly directed at everyone else. Is the public only entitled to attend the wild ultra expensive disco party but not to formulate an opinion about it? That's juvenile.

And the reason I gave is the same one you did. A struggle for kavod. The sad part is that some people have zero control over said struggle.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #85 on: March 25, 2019, 11:57:34 PM »
Actually, somebody else's struggle for kavod is everyone else's business when it is clearly directed at everyone else. Is the public only entitled to attend the wild ultra expensive disco party but not to formulate an opinion about it? That's juvenile.

And the reason I gave is the same one you did. A struggle for kavod. The sad part is that some people have zero control over said struggle.
Why I don't I give you $20MM and see how you "struggle with kavod." This is besides for the fact that you can assume why people make these parties from today till tomorrow, and you may even be right about some of them, but you definitely won't be right about all of them.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2019, 12:05:20 AM »
Actually, somebody else's struggle for kavod is everyone else's business when it is clearly directed at everyone else. Is the public only entitled to attend the wild ultra expensive disco party but not to formulate an opinion about it? That's juvenile.

And the reason I gave is the same one you did. A struggle for kavod. The sad part is that some people have zero control over said struggle.
We aren't talking about formulating an opinion. Everyone is free to have an opinion about anything under the sun. We are talking about public bashing including bashing rabbonim who may not agree with said opinions, and trying to interfere with other peoples personal decisions.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2019, 12:05:51 AM »
Why I don't I give you $20MM and see how you "struggle with kavod." This is besides for the fact that you can assume why people make these parties from today till tomorrow, and you may even be right about some of them, but you definitely won't be right about all of them.

You make a valid point. Do not judge a man until you stand in his shoes. Maybe if I made millions I would also be tempted to throw an insane 250k Purim party (or whatever it costed).

That said, I don't understand your thing about other reasons. Clearly, such people are trying to prove themselves. They want to show the world that they made it in the big leagues. Just read all the comments of the people who were actually there. So what's your point? That these guys have other reasons too? OK great.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2019, 12:10:12 AM »
You make a valid point. Do not judge a man until you stand in his shoes. Maybe if I made millions I would also be tempted to throw an insane 250k Purim party (or whatever it costed).

That said, I don't understand your thing about other reasons. Clearly, such people are trying to prove themselves. They want to show the world that they made it in the big leagues. Just read all the comments of the people who were actually there. So what's your point? That these guys have other reasons too? OK great.
Even if that's true, so what? Since when did it become your job to tell someone that he shouldn't do anything to "show the world they made it" are you these people's spiritual advisor?
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2019, 12:13:02 AM »
The fact that I probably never tried out a Tesla does not preclude me from stating an opinion.
 
Let's say you had two choices: A Camry or a Tesla. Let's say, for argument's sake, that the cost was pretty similar.

Granted there are good reasons to opt for Tesla over the Camry. One of them is performance. Another one is fun.

Do you honestly believe that image is not a factor in most cases?

Even Tesla would disagree with you.
Note: I wrote "inappropriate image" not "inappropriate". Not qualifying what inappropriate means leads to things never intended. We are talking about image. I wrote specifically about inappropriate or unhealthy image.

Anyway, you agree about a 300k Ferrari. So it's just a question about where to draw the line.

I assert that for most "regular" people a Tesla or a $5000 suit is partially about unhealthy image, as did someone upthread. Feel free to disagree. 


Image was literally 0% of the equation. I was perfectly happy driving around a $500 beater until it broke down and my wife said I needed to buy a car. I was perfectly happy driving a $19K Altima for 8 years and then flipping it before it started needing maintenance.

Along came a car that's a complete paradigm shift in driving. You don't need to waste time filling it up with gas imported from countries that want to destroy us. You don't need to worry about losing the key as there is no key. You don't have to worry about wasting time on oil changes and engine maintenance as those don't exist. And it's more like piloting an awesome rocketship than driving a car. And the government offered me a $7,500 handout to go green and buy it.

So you're saying it's better for "regular people" (whatever the heck that is supposed to mean?!?) to spend $30,000 on an inferior Camry than $30,000 on a Tesla because in your mind it's giving off an "image."

I have a newsflash for you. The only one thinking about what image it's giving off is you sir. And it sure isn't pretty.

Feel free to elaborate.
Stop worrying about what other people spend and what other people do and start worrying about how you can be a better Jew. You will never be happy always worrying about what someone else is doing wrong as you can never fix that. When you see image problems in others take it as a mirror from above to look inward. That's what I strive to do at least when I see something that bothers me.
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