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Over The Top Purim Parties
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2019, 06:41:54 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1700431/mailbag-wealthy-people-making-out-of-control-purim-parties-why-are-we-silent.html

(really might deserve it's own thread, as it's a discussion likely to turn into PC...)

What is the relevance of "wealthy people" to his point that these parties are out of control? He has valid points, but it can sure use a rewrite.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2019, 06:45:28 PM »
What is the relevance of "wealthy people" to his point that these parties are out of control? He has valid points, but it can sure use a rewrite.
The implication is that these parties are allowed to go on for while all these terrible things are happening the ďgevirrimĒ that are throwing these parties are writing checks to the mosdos at the party.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2019, 06:46:22 PM »
The implication is that these parties are allowed to go on for while all these terrible things are happening the ďgevirrimĒ that are throwing these parties are writing checks to the mosdos at the party.
And there are no Rabbis are willing to stand up to them?
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2019, 06:49:17 PM »
What is the relevance of "wealthy people" to his point that these parties are out of control? He has valid points, but it can sure use a rewrite.
Probably because those are the ones "making" the parties. I haven't been in the NY Purim for nearly a decade, but even back then, there were many "check-writers" who were hiring one-man-bands and low scale catering with a bar, at their Purim Seudos (in their homes - no tents etc.). But I can just imagine, what it spiraled into with all the ridiculous peer pressure...

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2019, 06:49:58 PM »
Probably because those are the ones "making" the parties. I haven't been in the NY Purim for nearly a decade, but even back then, it was there were many "check-writers" who were hiring one-man-bands and low scale catering with a bar, at their Purim Seudos (in their homes - no tents etc.). But I can just imagine, what it spiraled into with all the ridiculous peer pressure...

Is there really peer-pressure to make an over the top party? That's just sad.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2019, 06:52:00 PM »
And there are no Rabbis are willing to stand up to them?
Heís alleging that they are all on the take.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2019, 06:52:44 PM »
Is there really peer-pressure to make an over the top party? That's just sad.
Unfortunately. Maybe someone can post the Avi Fishoff video that's running around in WhatsApp now, regarding the tens of thousands wasted because of peer pressure. I don't know how to do it.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2019, 06:53:17 PM »
Heís alleging that they are all on the take.
Strains credulity.
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2019, 06:59:27 PM »
Strains credulity.
Agreed, however I donít live in those circles.
On a side note Simchas Beis Hashoeva in Crown heights has some of these issues and not much is said about it either. The environment by some on the streets are very far from what the Rebbe intended.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2019, 07:03:51 PM »
And there are no Rabbis are willing to stand up to them?

They are donating several times what they spent on the party to Mosdos and the fact is that the venue is not ostensibly problematic; they arenít promoting mixed genders interacting outside in the surrounding area any more than Chaim Berlin, which had the same issue, nor are they out to intentionally intoxicate underage bochurim. Itís likely that most of these bochurim would get their hands on alcohol at one of the hundreds of othe venues where there is limited supervision, so to ask rabbonim to condemn these specific events is tough. To condemn every venue where there is limited supervision is as useless as yair Hoffman suggesting that everyone give out Snapple....

I find the over the top indulgence and gluttony and craving for status and recognition  that are a focus at many of these events distasteful and something that Achashverosh might be more comfortable with than Mordechai but I can say the same about indulgence and gluttony  with many pesach hotel programs, and a good chunk of the DDF trip reports, so letís keep this in perspective....


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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2019, 07:14:16 PM »
Someone from the Five Towns told me a friend of his had to get his Charcuterie Boards and meat boards from Lakewood because they havenít yet really made it in the Five Towns but you can order them all over Lakewood. We are talking of massively sized boards that can go for hundreds of dollars. The over the top gluttony is already trickling down to the masses...

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2019, 07:14:51 PM »
They are donating several times what they spent on the party to Mosdos and the fact is that the venue is not ostensibly problematic; they arenít promoting mixed genders interacting outside in the surrounding area any more than Chaim Berlin, which had the same issue, nor are they out to intentionally intoxicate underage bochurim. Itís likely that most of these bochurim would get their hands on alcohol at one of the hundreds of othe venues where there is limited supervision, so to ask rabbonim to condemn these specific events is tough. To condemn every venue where there is limited supervision is as useless as yair Hoffman suggesting that everyone give out Snapple....

I find the over the top indulgence and gluttony and craving for status and recognition  that are a focus at many of these events distasteful and something that Achashverosh might be more comfortable with than Mordechai but I can say the same about indulgence and gluttony  with many pesach hotel programs, and a good chunk of the DDF trip reports, so letís keep this in perspective....
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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2019, 07:20:33 PM »
but I can say the same about indulgence and gluttony  with many pesach hotel programs, and a good chunk of the DDF trip reports, so letís keep this in perspective....
It's one thing to indulge oneself in flying F, Pesach programs, etc. It's another thing when the main purpose of the party is to show off just how awsome you are.... And especially when it's affecting the "ruach" of a community.

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Re: Over The Top Purim Parties
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2019, 07:24:49 PM »
It's one thing to indulge oneself in flying F, Pesach programs, etc. It's another thing when the main purpose of the party is to show off just how awsome you are.... And especially when it's affecting the "ruach" of a community.

No different than driving a Tesla. Sure it drives nice but everyone (honest) will tell you its about the image...