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Sohar's Served by Lufthansa
-Lufthansa flights from Europe serve KSMLs from Sohar under the Chief Rabbi of Frankfurt. US kashrus agencies have checked out the operation and don't recommend eating their food.
More info here, here, here, and here

Rustichelli Served by Iberia (ex-MAD only?), Emirates (ex-MXP only?), United (ex-MXP)
- IB out of MAD serve KSML manufactured in Italy with a Hechsher from Lugano, Switzerland. Operation has been checked out by an experienced expert in the Kashrus field and was deemed not recommended.
- EK out of MXP is said to serve KSML from the same operation/hashgacha as IB out of MAD uses.
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Caterer? Served by Air France (ex-Europe), and KLM (ex-Europe)
-Air France and KLM flights from Europe serve KSMLs under Rabbi Ralbag (Who also runs the Triangle K).

Caterer? Served by Air France (ex-TLV), and Alitalia (ex-TLV)
- AF out of TLV serves KSML under Rabbanut, though there are some reports that if you call the local sales office you might be able to request a KSML certified by Badatz Eida Chareidis.
-AZ now reportedly changed to Badatz Eida Chareidis certified meals. see here

Kosh Air Delights Served by Aeromexico (ex-MEX?)
I don't believe the CRC recommends the hechsher on this.
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KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« on: March 29, 2019, 03:55:27 PM »
Post which airlines and routes where KSMLs are served under a questionable hechsher.
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2019, 03:57:42 PM »
-Lufthansa flights from Europe serve KSMLs from Sohar under the Chief Rabbi of Frankfurt. US kashrus agencies have checked out the operation and don't recommend eating their food.

-Air France and KLM flights from Europe serve KSMLs under Rabbi Ralbag (Who also runs the Triangle K).
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2019, 04:02:40 PM »
- IB out of MAD serve KSML manufactured in Italy with a Hechsher from Lugano, Switzerland. Operation has been checked out by an experienced expert in the Kashrus field and was deemed not recommended.
- EK out of MXP is said to serve KSML from the same operation/hashgacha as IB out of MAD uses.

- AF and AZ out of TLV serve KSML under Rabbanut, though there are reports that if you call the local sales office you might be able to request a KSML certified by Badatz Eida Chareidis.

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2019, 04:04:24 PM »
- IB out of MAD serve KSML manufactured in Italy with a Hechsher from Lugano, Switzerland. Operation has been checked out by an experienced expert in the Kashrus field and was deemed not recommended.
- EK out of MXP is said to serve KSML from the same operation/hashgacha as IB out of MAD uses.

- AF and AZ out of TLV serve KSML under Rabbanut, though there are reports that if you call the local sales office you might be able to request a KSML certified by Badatz Eida Chareidis.
Any more details on the hechsher and/or brands of the KSML?
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2019, 04:10:12 PM »
Any more details on the hechsher and/or brands of the KSML?

Some info here: https://www.hechshers.info/shapes/75.htm

This is what IB ex-MAD and EK ex-MXP are reported as serving. https://www.rustichellikosher.com/air-catering also see https://www.worldtravelcateringexpo.com/__novadocuments/46585?v=635288451714070000
IMHO the fact that they take a foreign Hechsher, when a worldwide known reliable Hechsher (due to Bartenura wines) exists right in their back yard, is a tell-tale signal.

In the spirit of this week's Parsha - Shemini, and since we are talking about food on planes (which are sometimes fondly called birds), I think we should follow the same rule that we do with kosher birds/fowl. Even though most are Kosher, as the Torah only lists those that are not, birds and fowl are ONLY EATEN WITH A MESORAH - A reliable tradition that they have been slaughtered for kosher consumption. The same should apply to airline meals: unless you have a reliable tradition that it may be eaten, you should avoid.
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2019, 04:17:57 PM »
- AF and AZ out of TLV serve KSML under Rabbanut, though there are reports that if you call the local sales office you might be able to request a KSML certified by Badatz Eida Chareidis.
I got a badatz meal on AF TLV-CDG, ordered regular ksml online. Was a couple of years ago though.

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2019, 04:20:32 PM »
I got a badatz meal on AF TLV-CDG, ordered regular ksml online. Was a couple of years ago though.

It might be hit or miss, I have no direct personal experience, going by what I heard from others about AF and AZ ex-TLV.

Also, if ticket was booked with a frum Travel Agent, said agent might have arranged the Badatz KSML, as they are aware of the issue and know how to resolve.
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2019, 04:23:09 PM »


This is what IB ex-MAD and EK ex-MXP are reported as serving. https://www.rustichellikosher.com/air-catering

Is there an issue with this one?

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2019, 04:26:45 PM »

Is there an issue with this one?

Operation was recently checked out by an expert in the Kashrus field and was deemed not recommended. (I believe I posted about in in the KSML thread). Paging @TimT

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2019, 04:33:04 PM »


The same should apply to airline meals: unless you have a reliable tradition that it may be eaten, you should avoid.

Isn't that the rule we should be following for all the food we eat?

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2019, 05:08:25 PM »
This is what IB ex-MAD and EK ex-MXP are reported as serving. https://www.rustichellikosher.com/air-catering also see https://www.worldtravelcateringexpo.com/__novadocuments/46585?v=635288451714070000
IMHO the fact that they take a foreign Hechsher, when a worldwide known reliable Hechsher (due to Bartenura wines) exists right in their back yard, is a tell-tale signal.

attached is the insert from this KSML

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2019, 05:29:53 PM »
Kosh air Delights

Got this on Aeromexico MEX-ORD in J. I don't believe the CRC recommends the hechsher on this.
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2019, 05:37:03 PM »
attached is the insert from this KSML
What are you adding? We know who the caterer is and who certifies Kashrus. It's public information. The only thing that I added to the conversation was that I inquired and an expert in the field checked it out and came back with a "not recommended" verdict.

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2019, 05:39:54 PM »


What are you adding? We know who the caterer is and who certifies Kashrus. It's public information. The only thing that I added to the conversation was that I inquired and an expert in the field checked it out and came back with a "not recommended" verdict.

Just added the insert for people to see. It's not to dispute anything you said

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2019, 07:01:05 PM »
What are you adding? We know who the caterer is and who certifies Kashrus. It's public information. The only thing that I added to the conversation was that I inquired and an expert in the field checked it out and came back with a "not recommended" verdict.
Not sure how clear cut this one is.
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