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Sohar's Served by Lufthansa
-Lufthansa flights from Europe serve KSMLs from Sohar under the Chief Rabbi of Frankfurt. US kashrus agencies have checked out the operation and don't recommend eating their food.
More info here, here, here, and here

Rustichelli Served by Iberia (ex-MAD only?), Emirates (ex-MXP only?), United (ex-MXP)
- IB out of MAD serve KSML manufactured in Italy with a Hechsher from Lugano, Switzerland. Operation has been checked out by an experienced expert in the Kashrus field and was deemed not recommended.
- EK out of MXP is said to serve KSML from the same operation/hashgacha as IB out of MAD uses.
more info here
 
Caterer? Served by Air France (ex-Europe), and KLM (ex-Europe)
-Air France and KLM flights from Europe serve KSMLs under Rabbi Ralbag (Who also runs the Triangle K).

Caterer? Served by Air France (ex-TLV), and Alitalia (ex-TLV)
- AF out of TLV serves KSML under Rabbanut, though there are some reports that if you call the local sales office you might be able to request a KSML certified by Badatz Eida Chareidis.
-AZ now reportedly changed to Badatz Eida Chareidis certified meals. see here

Kosh Air Delights Served by Aeromexico (ex-MEX?)
I don't believe the CRC recommends the hechsher on this.
see here

Author Topic: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers  (Read 10764 times)

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2019, 12:04:03 AM »
Operation was recently checked out by an expert in the Kashrus field and was deemed not recommended. (I believe I posted about in in the KSML thread). Paging @TimT

Also
Correct. I did inquire about the IB KSML ex-MAD.

Thank you for posting the information.

I found their certificate and posted it on a Kashrus whatsapp group to inquire. So far only response was (if you read the certificate you'll see what he means: "A hechsher on the people instead of on the products 🤣"
Someone on a Kashrus whatsapp group I am on just visited the operation, and his initial report is that it is not recommended. Two issues mentioned were meat from an unrecognized certifier, and lack of procedural oversight.

So is that explicitly Mehadrin, or מהדרין מן המהדרין?

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2019, 06:41:22 AM »
Just flew IB ex-TLV and they luckily forgot my KSML :) the only question is if they serve from another caterer ex-TLV....

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2019, 12:58:13 PM »
It might be hit or miss, I have no direct personal experience, going by what I heard from others about AF and AZ ex-TLV.

Also, if ticket was booked with a frum Travel Agent, said agent might have arranged the Badatz KSML, as they are aware of the issue and know how to resolve.
Standard KSML on AZ ex-TLV is now Eida. Used to be a very poor hechsher, but today it is all Badatz, regardless of who the TA was. (Just double checked this info with one of my passengers who flew last week)

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2019, 12:58:47 PM »
Standard KSML on AZ ex-TLV is now Eida. Used to be a very poor hechsher, but today it is all Badatz, regardless of who the TA was. (Just double checked this info with one of my passengers who flew last week)
Great news. Wiki edited.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2019, 01:03:19 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2019, 12:58:57 PM »
Kosh air Delights

Got this on Aeromexico MEX-ORD in J. I don't believe the CRC recommends the hechsher on this.

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2019, 01:14:43 PM »
Add to Wiki?
Done.
is the Wiki format good? if anyone has a way to make it clearer (and still able to be edited by the plain-folk) please do so.
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2019, 03:35:42 PM »
So, our upcoming itinerary is as follow:
LH BOS-MUC-TLV
IB TLV-MAD-BOS (in J)

Perhaps the meal ex-BOS will be Borenstein.
Are we otherwise doomed to KSML with questionable hechshers?
How about IB ex-TLV?

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2019, 03:39:11 PM »


So, our upcoming itinerary is as follow:
LH BOS-MUC-TLV
IB TLV-MAD-BOS (in J)

Perhaps the meal ex-BOS will be Borenstein.
Are we otherwise doomed to KSML with questionable hechshers?
How about IB ex-TLV?
Just flew IB ex-TLV and they luckily forgot my KSML :) the only question is if they serve from another caterer ex-TLV....

 @EJB maybe?
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2019, 03:42:19 PM »

 @EJB maybe?

I should be able to tell you what you'd get on IB in J. But they lost my KSML :).

From others, it didn't look that great. Which probably means the hechsher was fine :).

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2019, 03:44:15 PM »
I should be able to tell you what you'd get on IB in J. But they lost my KSML :).

From others, it didn't look that great. but I couldnt get the maker.
Did you see if it was served in an orange-like box?
Did you fly ex-tlv or vice-versa ?
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2019, 03:45:25 PM »
Did you see if it was served in an orange-like box?
Did you fly ex-tlv or vice-versa ?

Ex TLV, and I don't remember. All I can remember is it got me 50k extra avios all in :)

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2019, 04:03:05 PM »
Ex TLV, and I don't remember. All I can remember is it got me 50k extra avios all in :)
Nice. Let's hope I get something along those lines ;)
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2019, 06:13:06 PM »
anyone know what they serve on royal  Jordanian Ex Amman?

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2019, 11:01:39 PM »
Nice. Let's hope I get something along those lines ;)
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2019, 05:46:26 AM »
+50,000!
Lol. I already didn't get the KSML...
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2019, 05:16:20 PM »
Got the Rustichelli meal with the Biala Rebbe's hechsher on UA ex-MXP (UA18) this week. Interesting פסוקים on the box....

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2019, 05:24:16 PM »
Got the Rustichelli meal with the Biala Rebbe's hechsher on UA ex-MXP (UA18) this week. Interesting פסוקים on the box....
Wikified. I assume more carriers use this ex-Italy...or maybe even other nearby countries
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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2019, 12:10:15 PM »
anyone know what they serve on royal  Jordanian Ex Amman?
I have the same question

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2019, 12:21:13 PM »
I have the same question
Non-mehadrin Rabbanut from Israel.

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Re: KSMLs With Questionable Hechshers
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2019, 11:11:06 AM »
Anyone know the hechsher on any of these flights if it’s reliable?
IB out of USA
IB out of TLV
LY out of BOS
J2 out of TLV
J2 out of GYD

(Seems like IB out of MAD isn’t reliable as per the wiki)