Author Topic: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?  (Read 7657 times)

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2019, 02:07:04 PM »
And he has a bit more clout
He deserves it if he's not afraid to use it.

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2019, 02:08:14 PM »
He deserves it if he's not afraid to use it.
Totally agree

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2019, 02:12:25 PM »
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While I don't know much about the clout of the Bostoner Rebbe, the fact that a leader/Rebbe wrote the letter, highlights the issue.

I'm still trying to figure out what the Yeshivas explaination is...it makes no sense to me to throw out 80 Bochorim... ( Unless there are some major issues going on there and they used this story as a front..)

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2019, 02:15:18 PM »
I think that if the yeshiva believes it was unproper for the bochurim to go, and the bochurim believe that they must go, everyone should be happy with the way things turned out. Bochurim (and certainly high school age) should not be in a yeshiva with such a different philosophy than their own.

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2019, 02:23:26 PM »
Did they arrange for the bachorim to go to a different yeshiva, or do they expect them to go learn behind J2?

I understand that it is the end of the zman, but can all 80 kids get into a new yeshiva next zman?

THIS is IMHO a much more significant issue than what is brought in the letter of the Bostoner. We are talking דיני נפשות ממש!!!!
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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2019, 02:29:41 PM »
I think that if the yeshiva believes it was unproper for the bochurim to go, and the bochurim believe that they must go, everyone should be happy with the way things turned out. Bochurim (and certainly high school age) should not be in a yeshiva with such a different philosophy than their own.
C'mon...you never disagreed with your yeshiva? Never banded together to do something? Thought if everyone is doing it...

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2019, 02:34:34 PM »
Is Mesivta of Lakewood affiliated with The Establishment?
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2019, 02:58:26 PM »
C'mon...you never disagreed with your yeshiva?

About something so fundamental? No. And if I did, I would do what I think is right, and accept whatever the consequences were.

Never banded together to do something? Thought if everyone is doing it...


If there were bochurim who went because everyone was going, not because they thought it was important (and my guess is that there probably were some), should pay a heavy price.


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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2019, 03:14:42 PM »
About something so fundamental? No. And if I did, I would do what I think is right, and accept whatever the consequences were.

If there were bochurim who went because everyone was going, not because they thought it was important (and my guess is that there probably were some), should pay a heavy price.
What the Yeshiva did was EXTREME. if you believe that it's appropriate because "if you disagree you don't belong there"

I have nothing further to say

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2019, 03:46:07 PM »
What the Yeshiva did was EXTREME. if you believe that it's appropriate because "if you disagree you don't belong there"

I have nothing further to say
Everything about Mesivta of Lakewood is extreme. It's also extreme that bein hazemanim goes from י"ג ניסן till isru chag.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2019, 03:55:42 PM »
What the Yeshiva did was EXTREME.

What is extreme about suspending a bochur who goes against an explicit prohibition of the hanhola?

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2019, 03:59:05 PM »
It's also extreme that bein hazemanim goes from י"ג ניסן till isru chag.

Why? (unless they have bochurim who have to travel far, and they don't accommodate them). Do they have a summer vacation?

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2019, 06:25:45 PM »
http://matzav.com/rebbi-why-bochurim-were-suspended-for-attending-a-levayah/
Wow, haven't seen a well formulated response since AOC tried to defend something stupid she said.
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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2019, 08:21:36 PM »
What is extreme about suspending a bochur who goes against an explicit prohibition of the hanhola?
That's the problem. They were thrown out because of the explicit prohibition, not because of the act itself. Egos are at play no doubt.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2019, 08:39:38 PM »
Passaic Yeshiva has 3 cardinal rules. One of them is that you can’t daven betzibur (outside of Yeshiva minyan). It sounds nuts but makes a lot of sense in reality and anybody who goes there knows what they’re getting into.

If you don’t like the rules in a Yeshiva, you’re welcome to leave or be expelled, personal hashkafos of who’s Levayos are docheh limud haTorah notwithstanding.
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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2019, 08:40:59 PM »
That's the problem. They were thrown out because of the explicit prohibition, not because of the act itself. Egos are at play no doubt.
Um no. If something is explicitly prohibited by the hanhala and you violate that then there isn’t any room for discussion. You openly disobey your Rebbeim, so they have nothing over you. You need to leave.
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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2019, 08:55:45 PM »
Everything about Mesivta of Lakewood is extreme. It's also extreme that bein hazemanim goes from י"ג ניסן till isru chag.
Exactly. This should answer all questions about this fiasco.

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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2019, 09:16:05 PM »
Um no. If something is explicitly prohibited by the hanhala and you violate that then there isn’t any room for discussion. You openly disobey your Rebbeim, so they have nothing over you. You need to leave.
Nah, that's a bad chinuch model. You have kids by any chance?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2019, 10:58:25 PM »
Nah, that's a bad chinuch model. You have kids by any chance?
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