Author Topic: Why do so many people still support the Mir?  (Read 2257 times)

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2019, 07:55:38 PM »
Iím not complaining about the Mir.
Iím asking how dumb can their American donors be?
Why give money today based on the Mir legacy or Reb Nosson Tzvi? Heck, even the older faculty of the Mir thatís still alive are being overrun by certain younger ppl.
(@YitzyS I wonít mention names as I donít believe that is right.)

The bottom line is:
If you like the way the current administration is running the ship, then by all means, donate.
But give your tzedaka elsewhere if you liked Rí Nosson Tzvi or the way he ran the Mir, because that place no longer exists.
"I'm not complaint about Mir."
...
[Proceeds to complain about Mir.]

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2019, 07:58:38 PM »
"I'm not complaint about Mir."
...
[Proceeds to complain about Mir.]
#Fakenews.
All he's saying is the Mir of today is not the Mir of yesteryear, and I have yet to find someone who disagrees.
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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2019, 08:00:47 PM »
@mods

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2019, 08:01:12 PM »
#Fakenews.
All he's saying is the Mir of today is not the Mir of yesteryear, and I have yet to find someone who disagrees.
No, he's saying it's not the Mir of yesteryear, and therefore don't donate.

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2019, 08:04:00 PM »


No, he's saying it's not the Mir of yesteryear, and therefore don't donate on that assumption
FTFY
no complaining there.
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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2019, 08:11:26 PM »
FTFY
no complaining there.
That's not what he wrote though.

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2019, 08:29:11 PM »
Why is it anyone's business what other people donate to. If you don't like it, don't give money. No reason to stop other people. Not to mention the lashon hara that's probably involved here, there are probably many organizations/mosdos/tzedakas that ppl have assumptions about, and the op didn't feel the need to "enlighten" everyone about all of them. He obviously has a bone to pick, and it looks childish and pathetic to do it on a public forum. Plenty of people have been rubbed the wr9ng way by different mosdos, and most do not feel the need to announce it to the world.

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2019, 08:48:20 PM »
Why is it anyone's business what other people donate to. If you don't like it, don't give money. No reason to stop other people. Not to mention the lashon hara that's probably involved here, there are probably many organizations/mosdos/tzedakas that ppl have assumptions about, and the op didn't feel the need to "enlighten" everyone about all of them. He obviously has a bone to pick, and it looks childish and pathetic to do it on a public forum. Plenty of people have been rubbed the wr9ng way by different mosdos, and most do not feel the need to announce it to the world.
Sorry buddy, you missed the point.
This isn't about bashing random mosdos.
I'm calling attention to the fact the Mir is UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT. And few people have realized.
If you like the new management, then no problem, go ahead with business as usual.





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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2019, 08:53:40 PM »
Sorry buddy, you missed the point.
This isn't about bashing random mosdos.
I'm calling attention to the fact the Mir is UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT. And few people have realized.
If you like the new management, then no problem, go ahead with business as usual.
If you read my post you will notice that I mentioned that there are many mosdos that people donate to that aren't run exactly the way people would want if they knew. It's not your job to "enlighten" us all.

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2019, 08:57:10 PM »
If you read my post you will notice that I mentioned that there are many mosdos that people donate to that aren't run exactly the way people would want if they knew. It's not your job to "enlighten" us all.
What exactly is your issue? The Mir had a massive dinner last night and he mentioned they have undergone a significant change that people are not aware of.


You think he now has to make a comprehensive list?
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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2019, 08:58:32 PM »
What exactly is your issue? The Mir had a massive dinner last night and he mentioned they have undergone a significant change that people are not aware of.


You think he now has to make a comprehensive list?
No, I'm pointing out that it's not anyone's business to write what he wrote in the op

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2019, 09:10:09 PM »
No, I'm pointing out that it's not anyone's business to write what he wrote in the op
Why not?
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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2019, 09:16:45 PM »
The mir of yesteryear also wasn't the mir of r' nochum's days.

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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2019, 09:21:33 PM »
The mir of yesteryear also wasn't the mir of r' nochum's days.
Absolutely. So if you're looking to support a Yeshiva like Reb Nochums you wouldn't have supported the Mir 30 years ago. Now that there was another makeover...
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Re: Why do so many people still support the Mir?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2019, 09:29:23 PM »
Why is it anyone's business what other people donate to. If you don't like it, don't give money. No reason to stop other people. Not to mention the lashon hara that's probably involved here, there are probably many organizations/mosdos/tzedakas that ppl have assumptions about, and the op didn't feel the need to "enlighten" everyone about all of them. He obviously has a bone to pick, and it looks childish and pathetic to do it on a public forum. Plenty of people have been rubbed the wr9ng way by different mosdos, and most do not feel the need to announce it to the world.

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What exactly is your issue? The Mir had a massive dinner last night and he mentioned they have undergone a significant change that people are not aware of.


You think he now has to make a comprehensive list?


Why not?

The Common denominator is trying to get ppl not to donate to the Mir.

Disclaimer: I never did "the Mir" or know a whole lot about it. But targeting a specific Yeshiva, when this is an issue with 90% of Yeshivas in the World seems like there's a story behind this.


True, they have thousands of people learning all day. But so do Chevron, Ponevezh and many other yeshivos.
And there are American yeshivos in EY like Eichenstein's, Feivelsohns, Rubenstien's, Yagdil, Reb Dovid, Reb Sholom Shechter.....
Why not support them?



Let's see how distraught all these people are when their kids don't get in. They'll regret every penny they ever donated.

Iím asking how dumb can their American donors be?
Why give money today based on the Mir legacy or Reb Nosson Tzvi?