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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2019, 02:52:34 AM »
Uh you may not be understanding the age of these kids for starters.

You mean they ARE toddlers?

IME there are two different age groups.Some people are 25 years old. Others are 4 year olds with 21 years experience.....

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2019, 02:53:29 AM »
You mean they ARE toddlers?
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2019, 03:50:36 AM »
Letter sent to the Police by a 12 year old boy...
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2019, 04:14:45 AM »
Letter sent to the Police by a 12 year old boy...

This letter is a bigger chillul hashem then the whole protest.....My 8 year old spells better.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #139 on: April 16, 2019, 07:27:36 AM »
I was always taught that two wrongs don't a right make. While these so called kanoim are wrong they probably were not oiver any issurim. That's not something you can say about these bachurim protesting.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2019, 08:24:41 AM »
I was always taught that two wrongs don't a right make. While these so called kanoim are wrong they probably were not oiver any issurim. That's not something you can say about these bachurim protesting.

Not sure you should be equating kids to to grown men, or ignore who started this mess.
But besides that, don’t forget:

-Lying
-Lashon hara
-Rechilus
-Potential rodfim
-Making a mockery of the Torah

This list can go on and on.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2019, 08:30:54 AM »
Not sure you should be equating kids to to grown men, or ignore who started this mess.
But besides that, don’t forget:

-Lying
-Lashon hara
-Rechilus
-Potential rodfim
-Making a mockery of the Torah

This list can go on and on.
since I don’t know what they said , I don’t know if they were or were not oiver  on the issurim you mentioned. It wasnt a question of equating, nor does it matter who "started up ".  I just don’t understand how anyone can condone what happened at the protests . I would have pitied my younger self had I been caught by my parents at such a protest.
 I specifically said 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
And just out of curiosity how do you get to rodfim?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2019, 08:38:03 AM by gingyguy »
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2019, 08:35:36 AM »
since I don’t know what they said , I don’t know if they were or were not lived on the issurim you mentioned. It wasnt a question of equating, I just don’t understand how anyone can condone what happened at the protests . I specifically said 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #143 on: April 16, 2019, 08:39:18 AM »
I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
Egging houses and cars is a hezeik

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #144 on: April 16, 2019, 08:40:20 AM »
I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
Chinuch does not allow boys to be boys .  And yes gezel  sheina for hours. Is egging houses And cars mutar? chillel hashem?
Ends do not justify the means.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2019, 09:14:57 AM »
Aaaaaaand YWN has officially caved to censorship and remove the news item.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1714627/chaos-in-lakewood-planned-kosher-event-for-yeshiva-bochrim-canceled-at-last-minute-hundreds-of-bochrim-protest-arrests-made.html

= page not found.

While my initial reaction to the page being removed was similar, after some reflection I think it was actually mature and responsible for them to remove it. Honestly, we who live in Lakewood and are dealing with a lot of people who are not exactly friendly trying to find any ammunition to use against us, do not need this out there, especially as it was relatively under reported in outlets such as the APP. Vehamayvin yavin......

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2019, 09:24:12 AM »
And yes gezel  sheina for hours.
What is that?
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #147 on: April 16, 2019, 09:24:54 AM »
What is that?
stealing people's sleep
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #148 on: April 16, 2019, 09:30:03 AM »
I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
IMHO the worst part of this is the bringing of EY type behavior and mentality (hafgana and take to the streets in protest of anything I don't agree with) imported to America. I remember my rabbeim telling us (before a protest organized by the Agudah in the late 90s) that for us protesting in the streets is an absolute last resort (especially in galus). Unfortunately there is a whole generation growing up feeling entitled, spoiled, and immature enough to believe that if I have an issue it is my right to be "triggered" and act out against whomever "wronged me" (whether they were actually wronged or not is not something I am discussing). #sad

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #149 on: April 16, 2019, 09:30:27 AM »
Chinuch does not allow boys to be boys .  And yes gezel  sheina for hours. Is egging houses And cars mutar? chillel hashem?
Ends do not justify the means.
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