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Offline yitzgar

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #150 on: April 16, 2019, 09:45:29 AM »
Where the heck are the parents of these kids?? Especially if, as insinuated earlier, many of these boys are young teens.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #151 on: April 16, 2019, 09:47:40 AM »
Where the heck are the parents of these kids?? Especially if, as insinuated earlier, many of these boys are young teens.
The kids where "just going to shul to learn".
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #152 on: April 16, 2019, 10:20:27 AM »
Not sure you should be equating kids to to grown men, or ignore who started this mess.
But besides that, don’t forget:

-Lying
-Lashon hara
-Rechilus
-Potential rodfim
-Making a mockery of the Torah

This list can go on and on.
This.
When they are faced with this I wouldn't be so quick to judge, these people are disgusting people, and they know it. I'm surprised more damage hasn't been done with the amount of anger these kids should be having. This man is a sick man without a life, and he clearly thinks impacting others lives negatively will make him feel good.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #153 on: April 16, 2019, 11:17:30 AM »
and his home and cars are being egged.
Disgusting. Is this what we’ve stooped to ?
Are these the bochurim that are sitting shteiging in yeshiva all year ?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #154 on: April 16, 2019, 11:20:44 AM »
Disgusting. Is this what we’ve stooped to ?
Uh you may not be understanding the age of these kids for starters.
besides
When they are faced with this I wouldn't be so quick to judge, these people are disgusting people, and they know it. I'm surprised more damage hasn't been done with the amount of anger these kids should be having. This man is a sick man without a life, and he clearly thinks impacting others lives negatively will make him feel good.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #155 on: April 16, 2019, 11:28:35 AM »

-Potential rodfim

How did you get to this?
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #156 on: April 16, 2019, 11:29:15 AM »
This.
When they are faced with this I wouldn't be so quick to judge, these people are disgusting people, and they know it. I'm surprised more damage hasn't been done with the amount of anger these kids should be having. This man is a sick man without a life, and he clearly thinks impacting others lives negatively will make him feel good.
These are probably the same people who are regularly making kashrus tumults too.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #157 on: April 16, 2019, 11:33:39 AM »
On a somewhat related note, is it currently “assur” to go to a blue claws game? Meaning will going to a game get your kids kicked out of school?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #158 on: April 16, 2019, 11:36:06 AM »
The first night the boys protesting in the streets had the sympathy of many; by now it’s grow up and stop acting like overgrown toddlers. You made your point. Move on. Egging cars the next night and planning further  “spontaneous” demonstrations is just juvenile and brings into question the maturity level of those who are still participating.
Dude, you didn't just miss the boat, you mistook America for the Indies.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2019, 11:37:17 AM »
IMHO the worst part of this is the bringing of EY type behavior and mentality (hafgana and take to the streets in protest of anything I don't agree with) imported to America. I remember my rabbeim telling us (before a protest organized by the Agudah in the late 90s) that for us protesting in the streets is an absolute last resort (especially in galus). Unfortunately there is a whole generation growing up feeling entitled, spoiled, and immature enough to believe that if I have an issue it is my right to be "triggered" and act out against whomever "wronged me" (whether they were actually wronged or not is not something I am discussing). #sad
It's an outcome of the "signature" culture that is even more prevelant in EY than it is here. The two things go hand in hand.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #160 on: April 16, 2019, 11:38:06 AM »
How did you get to this?
Easy:

Kumzits gets cancelled - goes to iPlayAmerica instead - meets a friend from elementary school who is not the best person to be around - becomes friends with him because he's mad at the establishment (but obviously doesn't think that the friend will have that bad of a effect on him) - slowly but surely they go lower and lower and he becomes part of that crowd - after sometime trys weed - some friends are doing other drugs - he trys other drugs - he gets addicted after some time - then the worst happens c"v.

That's how.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #161 on: April 16, 2019, 11:39:33 AM »
Easy:

Kumzits gets cancelled - goes to iPlayAmerica instead - meets a friend from elementary school who is not the best person to be around - becomes friends with him because he's mad at the establishment (but obviously doesn't think that the friend will have that bad of a effect on him) - slowly but surely they go lower and lower and he becomes part of that crowd - after sometime trys weed - some friends are doing other drugs - he trys other drugs - he gets addicted after some time - then the worst happens c"v.

That's how.
Let's just call that a long stretch rather than easy.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #162 on: April 16, 2019, 11:40:14 AM »
Easy:

Kumzits gets cancelled - goes to iPlayAmerica instead - meets a friend from elementary school who is not the best person to be around - becomes friends with him because he's mad at the establishment (but obviously doesn't think that the friend will have that bad of a effect on him) - slowly but surely they go lower and lower and he becomes part of that crowd - after sometime trys weed - some friends are doing other drugs - he trys other drugs - he gets addicted after some time - then the worst happens c"v.

That's how.
Quite the stretch there but you forgot mixed dancing, that's the real kuntz.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #163 on: April 16, 2019, 11:41:01 AM »
Easy:

Kumzits gets cancelled - goes to iPlayAmerica instead - meets a friend from elementary school who is not the best person to be around - becomes friends with him because he's mad at the establishment (but obviously doesn't think that the friend will have that bad of a effect on him) - slowly but surely they go lower and lower and he becomes part of that crowd - after sometime trys weed - some friends are doing other drugs - he trys other drugs - he gets addicted after some time - then the worst happens c"v.

That's how.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #164 on: April 16, 2019, 11:46:05 AM »
Easy:

Kumzits gets cancelled - goes to iPlayAmerica instead - meets a friend from elementary school who is not the best person to be around - becomes friends with him because he's mad at the establishment (but obviously doesn't think that the friend will have that bad of a effect on him) - slowly but surely they go lower and lower and he becomes part of that crowd - after sometime trys weed - some friends are doing other drugs - he trys other drugs - he gets addicted after some time - then the worst happens c"v.

That's how.

Let's just call that a long stretch rather than easy.

Yes that is a long stretch and if that actually manifests then that I imagine a lot more is going on then just a cancelled event.

IMHO one of the worst parts of this whole episode is all the brewing hatred, finger pointing, he said/she said, and other non-constructive talk that will dominate all of these peoples yom tov meals. All the lashon hora that has and will be spread over the next 2 weeks is frightening.
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