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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #165 on: April 16, 2019, 11:50:26 AM »
There's a audio clip of a phone call going around on WhatsApp between one of the organizers and one of the destructors (for lack of better word)..
It'll shed alot of of light on the situation..

what's the best way to upload it?
https://www.tunestotube.com/
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #166 on: April 16, 2019, 11:50:50 AM »
Yes that is a long stretch and if that actually manifests then that I imagine a lot more is going on then just a cancelled event.

IMHO one of the worst parts of this whole episode is all the brewing hatred, finger pointing, he said/she said, and other non-constructive talk that will dominate all of these peoples yom tov meals. All the lashon hora that has and will be spread over the next 2 weeks is frightening.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #167 on: April 16, 2019, 11:51:42 AM »

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #168 on: April 16, 2019, 12:01:55 PM »
Yes that is a long stretch and if that actually manifests then that I imagine a lot more is going on then just a cancelled event.

IMHO one of the worst parts of this whole episode is all the brewing hatred, finger pointing, he said/she said, and other non-constructive talk that will dominate all of these peoples yom tov meals. All the lashon hora that has and will be spread over the next 2 weeks is frightening.

This is why I basically quashed all conversation about it in my house. The boys seeing parents talking the way some are on this forum is much more detrimental than what actually happened. The tumult about it is the bigger problem.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #169 on: April 16, 2019, 12:05:56 PM »
Again, I think one of the greatest issues not discussed is why don't the parents have control over these kids? Or do they condone it?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #170 on: April 16, 2019, 12:07:58 PM »
Again, I think one of the greatest issues not discussed is why don't the parents have control over these kids? Or do they condone it?
It could be the parents are also exasperated by the kanoim. So they will turn a blind eye.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #171 on: April 16, 2019, 12:12:00 PM »
It could be the parents are also exasperated by the kanoim. So they will turn a blind eye.
That is a bigger issue. Bad enough that kids think it's ok to riot and damage property, worse if adults are ok with it, no matter the justification.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #172 on: April 16, 2019, 12:14:28 PM »
That is a bigger issue. Bad enough that kids think it's ok to riot and damage property, worse if adults are ok with it, no matter the justification.
Not arguing the point. Human emotions cause people to act in ways that can be detrimental.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #173 on: April 16, 2019, 12:30:21 PM »
That is a bigger issue. Bad enough that kids think it's ok to riot and damage property, worse if adults are ok with it, no matter the justification.
The overwhelming majority (especially the first night) were not rioting or damaging property. I don't see an issue with adults being OK with their kids peacefully protesting in front of this guys house.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #174 on: April 16, 2019, 12:32:57 PM »
The overwhelming majority (especially the first night) were not rioting or damaging property. I don't see an issue with adults being OK with their kids peacefully protesting in front of this guys house.
I do. They were not only protesting the person who instigated it but rather also the rabbonim. That is not an appropriate way to do things.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #175 on: April 16, 2019, 12:35:46 PM »
I do. They were not only protesting the person who instigated it but rather also the rabbonim. That is not an appropriate way to do things.
Has anything else worked?
The protesting rabanim is the unfortunate outcome they caused with this, which is the worst of it IMHO.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #176 on: April 16, 2019, 12:37:33 PM »
Has anything else worked?
The protesting rabanim is the unfortunate outcome they caused with this, which is the worst of it IMHO.
That changes nothing about what I wrote.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #177 on: April 16, 2019, 12:39:57 PM »
This is why I basically quashed all conversation about it in my house. The boys seeing parents talking the way some are on this forum is much more detrimental than what actually happened. The tumult about it is the bigger problem.

+100000000

Unfortunately, in almost every Jewish community there is some form of public מחלוקת. IMNSHO allowing involvement, even if only casually talking about it, is simply "playing with fire" and putting your kids at risk. Sometimes it is challenging, but for some reason נורא עלילה על בני אדם decided to put these kinds of challenges in our way at the time of עקבתא דמשיחא. However, we should remember that אין הקב"ה בא בטרוניא עם בריותיו, and it IS possible to overcome this נסיון.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #178 on: April 16, 2019, 12:41:04 PM »
+100000000

Unfortunately, in almost every Jewish community there is some form of public מחלוקת. IMNSHO allowing involvement, even if only casually talking about it, is simply "playing with fire" and putting your kids at risk. Sometimes it is challenging, but for some reason נורא עלילה על בני אדם decided to put these kinds of challenges in our way at the time of עקבתא דמשיחא. However, we should remember that אין הקב"ה בא בטרוניא עם בריותיו, and it IS possible to overcome this נסיון.
Thank you, very well said.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #179 on: April 16, 2019, 12:48:58 PM »
That changes nothing about what I wrote.
+1000
You can't really blame kids and teens for acting out when their passions and sensitivities are inflamed, they are by nature too underdeveloped as of yet emotionally and logically to expect them to respond appropriately. That's where the adults, parents and teachers, are meant to step in and guide them. Kids coming out of this episode with the idea that this was the appropriate response to something they don't like, and that maybe it even has the tacit approval of some adults, is the worst possible outcome from a maturation and educational perspective.