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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2019, 11:15:41 AM »
All they (Travis) really needed to do , was to attach it to a Tzedaka Organization
Seems to be that anytime someone wants to break boundaries in Lakewood, they just co-op an organization and then anything goes (starting with the CEO's 9 days siyum event)

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2019, 11:16:41 AM »
This abuse of power has gotten out of hand, until now it was mostly not publicized, but now they have the gall to do so so publicly. I've never been so ashamed of Lakewood before.
Lakewood is in total free fall .
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2019, 12:40:11 PM »
I know absolutely nothing about what this event was supposed to be, but something was missing on the planning side if the reactions of local rabbonim and menahalim weren't considered early in the planning stages.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2019, 12:43:16 PM »
I know absolutely nothing about what this event was supposed to be, but something was missing on the planning side if the reactions of local rabbonim and menahalim weren't considered early in the planning stages.
They were all considered, the organizer knows how they run, and planned it in a way he was confident they would approve, which they did until....
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2019, 01:06:01 PM »
They were all considered, the organizer knows how they run, and planned it in a way he was confident they would approve, which they did until....
I am confused. Was it that he was confident they would approve or that they actually did? Either he didn't dot his i's and cross his t's or he isn't as familiar with how they run as you think. What is the source that they had approved?
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2019, 01:13:41 PM »
I am confused. Was it that he was confident they would approve or that they actually did? Either he didn't dot his i's and cross his t's or he isn't as familiar with how they run as you think. What is the source that they had approved?
There were no complaints until the day of. He got it all right, it was just a new "up and coming" guy trying to make a name by putting himself where he doesn't belong that made problems.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2019, 01:17:10 PM »
There were no complaints until the day of. He got it all right, it was just a new "up and coming" guy trying to make a name by putting himself where he doesn't belong that made problems.
right, and therefore? Who had approved and what is the source?
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2019, 01:21:03 PM »
right, and therefore? Who had approved and what is the source?
No one said it was approved before. Just it was done in a way that such problems shouldn't arise, and I'm sure many people who start these problems typically looked past it, because of the way it was done
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2019, 01:24:06 PM »
No one said it was approved before.
they would approve, which they did until....

????
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2019, 01:25:46 PM »
No one said it was approved before. Just it was done in a way that such problems shouldn't arise, and I'm sure many people who start these problems typically looked past it, because of the way it was done
Ahhh so it was based on assuming they would approve without actually discussing it first. Also known as lack of planning.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2019, 01:25:50 PM »
As soon as it was cancelled they should have had a Kumzitz at the Watermark, the bar in Asbury Park where a Lakewood tzedaka event was recently held instead....

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2019, 01:29:07 PM »
Ahhh so it was based on assuming they would approve without actually discussing it first. Also known as lack of planning.

Um, weren’t Rav Yehuda Jacobs and other well known figures scheduled to be speaking there?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2019, 01:32:11 PM »
Ahhh so it was based on assuming they would approve without actually discussing it first. Also known as lack of planning.
Since when is anything approved? and what would it help to be approved if the approval can be overruled or removed ?


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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2019, 01:33:04 PM »
Ahhh so it was based on assuming they would approve without actually discussing it first. Also known as lack of planning.

From what I understand numerous rabbonim were involved from beforehand.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2019, 01:36:47 PM »
There were no complaints until the day of. He got it all right, it was just a new "up and coming" guy trying to make a name by putting himself where he doesn't belong that made problems.
this is not true, they were told last week to call it off. and who cares who instigated this cancellation if afterwards the 'big' rabbi's joined?