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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2019, 01:37:53 PM »
i'm not saying i understand them totally, but isn't this where daas torah comes in?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2019, 01:55:22 PM »
????
Originally I was using the word "approved" as not protesting. Later, based on the way you were asking I realized you meant a stamp of approval, so I answered to that.
Um, werenít Rav Yehuda Jacobs and other well known figures scheduled to be speaking there?
Correct, I know of Reb Mendel Slomowitz specifically. He was forced to back out of speaking all the while he was still supporting it.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2019, 01:58:37 PM »
Ahhh so it was based on assuming they would approve without actually discussing it first. Also known as lack of planning.
There are a few sets of people who play a role here.
Rabanim who approved and were involved.
Rabanim who knew nothing of it, or said nothing of it.
Bored people who attempted to persuade A and B to shut it down. Whom with some they succeeded, some they didn't.
The ones responsible for shutting it down didn't have an opinion in the first place, while other prominent Rabanim approved.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2019, 02:29:28 PM »
i'm not saying i understand them totally, but isn't this where daas torah comes in?
Just asking, do you know what Daas Torah means?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2019, 02:30:58 PM »
Um, werenít Rav Yehuda Jacobs and other well known figures scheduled to be speaking there?
I have no idea.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2019, 02:34:06 PM »
Originally I was using the word "approved" as not protesting. Later, based on the way you were asking I realized you meant a stamp of approval, so I answered to that.Correct, I know of Reb Mendel Slomowitz specifically. He was forced to back out of speaking all the while he was still supporting it.
There are a few sets of people who play a role here.
Rabanim who approved and were involved.
Rabanim who knew nothing of it, or said nothing of it.
Bored people who attempted to persuade A and B to shut it down. Whom with some they succeeded, some they didn't.
The ones responsible for shutting it down didn't have an opinion in the first place, while other prominent Rabanim approved.

Was anyone on the record as approving it? Once there is someone on the record it becomes much more difficult for the event to get canceled. If no one is ready to go on the record as supporting it then you know that it will be canceled at the end.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2019, 02:41:33 PM »
Was anyone on the record as approving it? Once there is someone on the record it becomes much more difficult for the event to get canceled. If no one is ready to go on the record as supporting it then you know that it will be canceled at the end.
Reb mendel Slomowitz was officially speaking there, he owned up to it. That's pretty much on the record.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2019, 02:42:53 PM »
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2019, 02:46:28 PM »
I have no idea.

It was rhetorical. Rabbi Jacobs and Rabbi Slomivitz were on board. If that is not good enough perhaps we should convene the Sanhedrin before each event.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2019, 02:54:34 PM »
I've never been so ashamed of Lakewood before.
I have.
Just asking, do you know what Daas Torah means?
Having a long beard and inheriting a big yeshiva?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2019, 02:59:32 PM »
I have. Having a long beard and inheriting a big yeshiva?
You sound bitter about something
May you slide down the banister of happiness & get many splinters of success up your career.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2019, 03:17:23 PM »
You sound bitter about something
You sound oblivious about somethings.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2019, 03:19:45 PM »
Reb mendel Slomowitz was officially speaking there, he owned up to it. That's pretty much on the record.
Source?
Speaking does not mean done in consultation with or even that he knew what it was all about. It is most likely that he did, but it still doesn't replace a full-fledged "under the guidance of"

(FTR, there is nothing I have heard about this event which disturbs me and have no clue what the opposition to it was for. I don't know much about it at all other than what is posted here. I only see some poor planning)
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2019, 03:27:10 PM »
Source?
Speaking does not mean done in consultation with or even that he knew what it was all about. It is most likely that he did, but it still doesn't replace a full-fledged "under the guidance of"
Just to add to this. Maybe he agreed to speak there only because he knew that if he wouldn't the matzav there would be worse.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2019, 03:28:45 PM »
Source?
Speaking does not mean done in consultation with or even that he knew what it was all about. It is most likely that he did, but it still doesn't replace a full-fledged "under the guidance of"

(FTR, there is nothing I have heard about this event which disturbs me and have no clue what the opposition to it was for. I don't know much about it at all other than what is posted here. I only see some poor planning)
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