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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2019, 04:35:55 PM »
I just wonder what they told them in order to get the signatures, because it definitely wasn't "They are having a kumzitz and divrai torah"
Who says they actually "got" their signatures.... ::)

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2019, 04:39:36 PM »
Maybe I'm missing something here, but all I've been thinking reading all this is, why the heck do you need anyone's approval to make an event? What is this, 3rd grade?
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2019, 04:44:50 PM »


Are any askanim trying to help out the bachrim...?
No.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2019, 04:58:58 PM »
There's a audio clip of a phone call going around on WhatsApp between one of the organizers and one of the destructors (for lack of better word)..
It'll shed alot of of light on the situation..

what's the best way to upload it?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2019, 05:04:00 PM »
There's a audio clip of a phone call going around on WhatsApp between one of the organizers and one of the destructors (for lack of better word)..
It'll shed alot of of light on the situation..

what's the best way to upload it?
Not sure that's easily doable. But I'm not so sure that should be publicized on such a platform.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2019, 05:04:52 PM »
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2019, 05:07:10 PM »
How long is the clip?
just summarize it

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2019, 05:14:10 PM »
Not sure that's easily doable. But I'm not so sure that should be publicized on such a platform.
Your probably right..
How long is the clip?
just summarize it
It's a 13 min clip.. basically it seems there was meetings between the rabbis and organizers.. there was alot of different opinions among the different roshei yeshiva.. some were pressured to change they're mind some didn't.. the organizers made the event with his permission etc of his rosh yeshiva... The organizers weren't really given a chance to explain and find out what false information was being spread about the event..


What I don't get is this has been going on for years in EY with strong support of R Aron Leib and many other Roshei Yeshiva, what could have possibly been different especially with the attendance of R Yehuda Jacobs and R Slomovitz before he was pressured out of it...

ETA whoever wants you can pm me for the clip

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2019, 05:32:38 PM »
I can't confirm it's true, but in the recording he mentions that some rabanim who came out against it told him it's still a good thing even tho they caved to the pressure and signed.
This if true is the most disturbing part of the ordeal.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2019, 05:45:43 PM »
Maybe I'm missing something here, but all I've been thinking reading all this is, why the heck do you need anyone's approval to make an event? What is this, 3rd grade?
its lakewood. almost like third grade, just a bit worse. they think they can control peoples movements

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2019, 05:47:45 PM »
The more tyrannical rabbonim become the more likely it is that people stop listening to those rabbonim.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2019, 05:52:55 PM »
The more tyrannical rabbonim become the more likely it is that people stop listening to those rabbonim.
And other Rabanim. If they mess themselves over, great. But when they start destroying the respect for the deserving Rabanim, we are screwed.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2019, 05:59:58 PM »
I can't confirm it's true, but in the recording he mentions that some rabanim who came out against it told him it's still a good thing even tho they caved to the pressure and signed.
This if true is the most disturbing part of the ordeal.
Unfortunately this happens all the time.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2019, 06:01:36 PM »
And other Rabanim. If they mess themselves over, great. But when they start destroying the respect for the deserving Rabanim, we are screwed.
Agreed, people stop respecting Rabbonim all together, they just lump everyone in to the same group.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2019, 06:08:06 PM »
Agreed, people stop respecting Rabbonim all together, they just lump everyone in to the same group.
As long as it's not a case of 98% of lawyers give the other 2% a bad name....