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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2019, 08:24:41 AM »
I was always taught that two wrongs don't a right make. While these so called kanoim are wrong they probably were not oiver any issurim. That's not something you can say about these bachurim protesting.

Not sure you should be equating kids to to grown men, or ignore who started this mess.
But besides that, don’t forget:

-Lying
-Lashon hara
-Rechilus
-Potential rodfim
-Making a mockery of the Torah

This list can go on and on.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2019, 08:30:54 AM »
Not sure you should be equating kids to to grown men, or ignore who started this mess.
But besides that, don’t forget:

-Lying
-Lashon hara
-Rechilus
-Potential rodfim
-Making a mockery of the Torah

This list can go on and on.
since I don’t know what they said , I don’t know if they were or were not oiver  on the issurim you mentioned. It wasnt a question of equating, nor does it matter who "started up ".  I just don’t understand how anyone can condone what happened at the protests . I would have pitied my younger self had I been caught by my parents at such a protest.
 I specifically said 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
And just out of curiosity how do you get to rodfim?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2019, 08:38:03 AM by gingyguy »
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2019, 08:35:36 AM »
since I don’t know what they said , I don’t know if they were or were not lived on the issurim you mentioned. It wasnt a question of equating, I just don’t understand how anyone can condone what happened at the protests . I specifically said 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #143 on: April 16, 2019, 08:39:18 AM »
I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
Egging houses and cars is a hezeik

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #144 on: April 16, 2019, 08:40:20 AM »
I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
Chinuch does not allow boys to be boys .  And yes gezel  sheina for hours. Is egging houses And cars mutar? chillel hashem?
Ends do not justify the means.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2019, 09:14:57 AM »
Aaaaaaand YWN has officially caved to censorship and remove the news item.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1714627/chaos-in-lakewood-planned-kosher-event-for-yeshiva-bochrim-canceled-at-last-minute-hundreds-of-bochrim-protest-arrests-made.html

= page not found.

While my initial reaction to the page being removed was similar, after some reflection I think it was actually mature and responsible for them to remove it. Honestly, we who live in Lakewood and are dealing with a lot of people who are not exactly friendly trying to find any ammunition to use against us, do not need this out there, especially as it was relatively under reported in outlets such as the APP. Vehamayvin yavin......

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2019, 09:24:12 AM »
And yes gezel  sheina for hours.
What is that?
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #147 on: April 16, 2019, 09:24:54 AM »
What is that?
stealing people's sleep
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #148 on: April 16, 2019, 09:30:03 AM »
I say let boys be boys, better sooner than later. While wouldn’t advise anyone to do any “issurim” (not sure what exactly you’re referring to...Gezel sheina?) I do think the results are a huge net positive.
IMHO the worst part of this is the bringing of EY type behavior and mentality (hafgana and take to the streets in protest of anything I don't agree with) imported to America. I remember my rabbeim telling us (before a protest organized by the Agudah in the late 90s) that for us protesting in the streets is an absolute last resort (especially in galus). Unfortunately there is a whole generation growing up feeling entitled, spoiled, and immature enough to believe that if I have an issue it is my right to be "triggered" and act out against whomever "wronged me" (whether they were actually wronged or not is not something I am discussing). #sad

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #149 on: April 16, 2019, 09:30:27 AM »
Chinuch does not allow boys to be boys .  And yes gezel  sheina for hours. Is egging houses And cars mutar? chillel hashem?
Ends do not justify the means.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #150 on: April 16, 2019, 09:45:29 AM »
Where the heck are the parents of these kids?? Especially if, as insinuated earlier, many of these boys are young teens.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #151 on: April 16, 2019, 09:47:40 AM »
Where the heck are the parents of these kids?? Especially if, as insinuated earlier, many of these boys are young teens.
The kids where "just going to shul to learn".
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #152 on: April 16, 2019, 10:20:27 AM »
Not sure you should be equating kids to to grown men, or ignore who started this mess.
But besides that, don’t forget:

-Lying
-Lashon hara
-Rechilus
-Potential rodfim
-Making a mockery of the Torah

This list can go on and on.
This.
When they are faced with this I wouldn't be so quick to judge, these people are disgusting people, and they know it. I'm surprised more damage hasn't been done with the amount of anger these kids should be having. This man is a sick man without a life, and he clearly thinks impacting others lives negatively will make him feel good.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #153 on: April 16, 2019, 11:17:30 AM »
and his home and cars are being egged.
Disgusting. Is this what we’ve stooped to ?
Are these the bochurim that are sitting shteiging in yeshiva all year ?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #154 on: April 16, 2019, 11:20:44 AM »
Disgusting. Is this what we’ve stooped to ?
Uh you may not be understanding the age of these kids for starters.
besides
When they are faced with this I wouldn't be so quick to judge, these people are disgusting people, and they know it. I'm surprised more damage hasn't been done with the amount of anger these kids should be having. This man is a sick man without a life, and he clearly thinks impacting others lives negatively will make him feel good.

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #155 on: April 16, 2019, 11:28:35 AM »

-Potential rodfim

How did you get to this?
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #156 on: April 16, 2019, 11:29:15 AM »
This.
When they are faced with this I wouldn't be so quick to judge, these people are disgusting people, and they know it. I'm surprised more damage hasn't been done with the amount of anger these kids should be having. This man is a sick man without a life, and he clearly thinks impacting others lives negatively will make him feel good.
These are probably the same people who are regularly making kashrus tumults too.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #157 on: April 16, 2019, 11:33:39 AM »
On a somewhat related note, is it currently “assur” to go to a blue claws game? Meaning will going to a game get your kids kicked out of school?

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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #158 on: April 16, 2019, 11:36:06 AM »
The first night the boys protesting in the streets had the sympathy of many; by now it’s grow up and stop acting like overgrown toddlers. You made your point. Move on. Egging cars the next night and planning further  “spontaneous” demonstrations is just juvenile and brings into question the maturity level of those who are still participating.
Dude, you didn't just miss the boat, you mistook America for the Indies.
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Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2019, 11:37:17 AM »
IMHO the worst part of this is the bringing of EY type behavior and mentality (hafgana and take to the streets in protest of anything I don't agree with) imported to America. I remember my rabbeim telling us (before a protest organized by the Agudah in the late 90s) that for us protesting in the streets is an absolute last resort (especially in galus). Unfortunately there is a whole generation growing up feeling entitled, spoiled, and immature enough to believe that if I have an issue it is my right to be "triggered" and act out against whomever "wronged me" (whether they were actually wronged or not is not something I am discussing). #sad
It's an outcome of the "signature" culture that is even more prevelant in EY than it is here. The two things go hand in hand.
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