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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2019, 05:14:53 PM »
Yes, I was referring specifically to the ones that are produced in Poland. Not kinder eggs that are sold in Costco. Those have a proper hashgacha. I think the ones I’m referring to are called kinder bueno.

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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2019, 05:33:52 PM »
Yes, I was referring specifically to the ones that are produced in Poland. Not kinder eggs that are sold in Costco. Those have a proper hashgacha. I think the ones I’m referring to are called kinder bueno.

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Ingredients
 

Milk Chocolate Covered Wafer With Smooth Milky And Hazelnut Filling

MILK CHOCOLATE 31.5% (SUGAR, COCOA BUTTER, COCOA MASS, SKIMMED MILK POWDER, CONCENTRATED BUTTER, EMULSIFIER: LECITHINS (SOYA), VANILLIN), SUGAR, PALM OIL, WHEAT FLOUR, HAZELNUTS (10.5%), SKIMMED MILK POWDER, MILK POWDER, CHOCOLATE (SUGAR, COCOA MASS, COCOA BUTTER, EMULSIFIER: LECITHINS (SOYA), VANILLIN), FAT-REDUCED COCOA, EMULSIFIER: LECITHINS (SOYA), RAISING AGENTS (SODIUM BICARBONATE, AMMONIUM BICARBONATE), SALT, VANILLIN.
TOTAL MILK CONSTITUENTS: 19.5%

So we know that the wheat flour is less that 31.5% and more than 10.5%.

only the ones with cereal. not the regular ones. The entire bar is less than a kezayis

So if someone has multiple חמץ items of less than a kezayis, that were not sold to a goy, there's no issue with חמץ שעבר עליו הפסח with any of them, even if they add up to many כזיתים?

And 43grams I highly doubt that the entire bar is less than a kezayis (which is a volume measurement, obviously exceeded by the bar).
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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2019, 06:34:10 PM »
So we know that the wheat flour is less that 31.5% and more than 10.5%.

So if someone has multiple חמץ items of less than a kezayis, that were not sold to a goy, there's no issue with חמץ שעבר עליו הפסח with any of them, even if they add up to many כזיתים?

And 43grams I highly doubt that the entire bar is less than a kezayis (which is a volume measurement, obviously exceeded by the bar).
the bar I saw was less than 1 oz total. clearly different bars

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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2019, 06:49:47 PM »

So if someone has multiple חמץ items of less than a kezayis, that were not sold to a goy, there's no issue with חמץ שעבר עליו הפסח with any of them, even if they add up to many כזיתים?

https://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.447.11?lang=bi&p2=Biur_Halacha.447.11.1&lang2=bi

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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2019, 07:51:17 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2019, 07:52:45 PM »
the bar I saw was less than 1 oz total. clearly different bars
I think those are only sold in a bag containing multiples. On the Kinder website it seems like the bag is 86g IIRC.
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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2019, 08:01:45 PM »
Are you calling chocolate covered wafers תערובת חמץ rather than חמץ בעין?
no. this isn't chocolate covered wafers.

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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2019, 08:02:01 PM »
I think those are only sold in a bag containing multiples. On the Kinder website it seems like the bag is 86g IIRC.
I have no idea. I've seen them seperate

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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2019, 08:18:52 PM »
no. this isn't chocolate covered wafers.

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Kinder Bueno (kinder is German for "children", bueno is Spanish for "good" or "tasty") is a chocolate bar made by Italian confectionery maker Ferrero. Kinder Bueno, part of the Kinder Chocolate brand line, is a hazelnut cream filled wafer with a chocolate covering. It is sold in packs of two, three, six, and boxes of twelve.
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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2019, 10:14:14 PM »
Not simple. See 242 sk1 and chz"i 116:10, 11 and 119 :23 IIRC
Maskim, the mb in general is pretty lenient with CSAHP and many poskim follow that approach, we're dealing with a safek derabannan. See the discussion a few years back in whiskey with RSM'S very big kula

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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2019, 11:29:09 PM »
Maskim, the mb in general is pretty lenient with CSAHP and many poskim follow that approach, we're dealing with a safek derabannan. See the discussion a few years back in whiskey with RSM'S very big kula

Without going into the specifics of whether one can be meikel with this product vis-a-vis CSAHP, while it is not our place to be מחדש גזירות, I would think that specifically for the venue mentioned in OP there might be room to make a statement against those that seem to be חציף טפי, selling חמץ גמור on Pesach בפרהסיא.
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Re: Kinder chocolate from Ben gurion airport
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2019, 01:11:15 AM »
Without going into the specifics of whether one can be meikel with this product vis-a-vis CSAHP, while it is not our place to be מחדש גזירות, I would think that specifically for the venue mentioned in OP there might be room to make a statement against those that seem to be חציף טפי, selling חמץ גמור on Pesach בפרהסיא.
That's above my pay grade