Author Topic: Lose Your Hechsher In Lakewood If You Fly An Israeli Flag?  (Read 3617 times)

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2019, 10:17:40 AM »
In KCLs own words that their hasgacha is mainly on the person.. this whole thing kinda actually makes sense...

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2019, 11:02:51 AM »
Is there confirmation as to whether kcl was involved at all, and if they were, did they threaten to pull the hashgacha?

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2019, 11:05:42 AM »
In KCLs own words that their hasgacha is mainly on the person.. this whole thing kinda actually makes sense...
A person flying the Israeli flag loses his chezkas kashrus??
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2019, 11:08:11 AM »
Is there confirmation as to whether kcl was involved at all, and if they were, did they threaten to pull the hashgacha?
http://matzav.com/exclusive-the-inside-story-behind-the-request-to-remove-israeli-flag-from-ssss-in-lakewood/
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Matzav.com confirmed that claims that the KCL would pull its hashgacha from the establishment if the store did not adhere to the request are false.

“The KCL agency would not pull one’s kashrus supervision for this reason,” the source confirmed, refuting claims on websites and social media to the contrary.

GreaterLakewood.com confirmed it is true now...
LOL
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2019, 11:13:50 AM »
Is there confirmation as to whether kcl was involved at all, and if they were, did they threaten to pull the hashgacha?

CONFIRMED NOT CONFIRMED YES. Its all fake.

I dont see the issue here. KCL wants to cater to ALL of lakewood and if some people have an issue with it they asked for him to take it down. (yes if he was threatened to pull the hasgacha then different story). but it seems like they asked the owner, and he shouldve just done it so as not to alienate people. once this is all over, hes going to get the name of not listening to KCL which will make alot of people not either- hasgacha or not. so is he thinking about his business or just trying to be the martyr?

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2019, 11:15:27 AM »
Is there confirmation as to whether kcl was involved at all, and if they were, did they threaten to pull the hashgacha?
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2019, 11:16:07 AM »
CONFIRMED NOT CONFIRMED YES. Its all fake.

I dont see the issue here. KCL wants to cater to ALL of lakewood and if some people have an issue with it they asked for him to take it down. (yes if he was threatened to pull the hasgacha then different story). but it seems like they asked the owner, and he shouldve just done it so as not to alienate people. once this is all over, hes going to get the name of not listening to KCL which will make alot of people not either- hasgacha or not. so is he thinking about his business or just trying to be the martyr?
The people who have an issue with it probably never step foot in there anyway

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2019, 11:17:09 AM »
when ssss moved to his new space, he put up a tv for sports games. he was told he has 24 hours to remove it or done. yes there are the rabble rousers who want him to go against KCL and stick it to the town, but if he wants to survive he needs to play by the rules- whether he agrees or not.

thats like someone moving to lakewood and wearing red nail polish, shaitel down to the knees and mini skirt, screaming that they dont care. good luck getting your kids into school.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2019, 11:19:57 AM »
The people who have an issue with it probably never step foot in there anyway

wrong wrong wrong. yes maybe the people who care about the flag, but i would say most wont eat in a store where the owner goes directly against the hashgacho he holds. then come the questions, if thats what he does, what else??

on most of the facebook chats, i would say prob 95% are not from lakewood. so they can scream all they want, but they dont know the situation. they have wacky suggestions such as GET STAR K OR OU. cmon it woulndt last a week with those hechshers in lakewood.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2019, 11:23:37 AM »
wrong wrong wrong. yes maybe the people who care about the flag, but i would say most wont eat in a store where the owner goes directly against the hashgacho he holds. then come the questions, if thats what he does, what else??

on most of the facebook chats, i would say prob 95% are not from lakewood. so they can scream all they want, but they dont know the situation. they have wacky suggestions such as GET STAR K OR OU. cmon it woulndt last a week with those hechshers in lakewood.
My problem is with his business being threatened for hanging the flag.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2019, 11:30:18 AM »
I think some people don't realize that there are many people in Lakewood who could not care less about issues that old Lakewooders make. Saying people won't step foot into there etc. is just not accurate anymore.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2019, 11:37:37 AM »
In KCLs own words that their hasgacha is mainly on the person.. this whole thing kinda actually makes sense...
+1 major point here. Kcl is a trust based hechsher.
A person flying the Israeli flag loses his chezkas kashrus??
Not necessarily, but he won't fit in to the catagory that kcl consider absolutely trustworthy.

They prefer relying on a kollel family.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2019, 11:39:17 AM »
Not necessarily, but he won't fit in to the catagory that kcl consider absolutely trustworthy.

They prefer relying on a kollel family.
So why didn't they vet his beliefs beforehand  ::)
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2019, 11:41:39 AM »
They prefer relying on a kollel family.
Craziness!