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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2019, 02:25:27 PM »
True in the sense that Its probably a goy's so you shouldn't return it unless it will make a kiddush hashem.
Taking it to the post office can also make a kiddudh hashem

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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2019, 02:31:00 PM »
Taking it to the post office can also make a kiddudh hashem
That's true Vs placing in the mail box.
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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2019, 08:32:13 AM »
That's true Vs placing in the mail box.

Why would dropping it as is in the mailbox be considered השבה, where one would be concerned if it's muttar or whether there is or isn't kidush Hashem?
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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2019, 09:04:48 AM »
Why would dropping it as is in the mailbox be considered השבה, where one would be concerned if it's muttar or whether there is or isn't kidush Hashem?
Hence bringing it to the post office, that in itself is a kiddish hashem, is it not? The postal worker sees that you found a passport and you take your time to make sure the rightful owner gets it back.

 On another note.. I had the question asked to...
R' forcheimer said you shouldn't return the passport. By the way, the passport says that it belongs to the government.
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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2019, 09:29:24 AM »
I'm just curious - while I imagine 99% of the people who use DDF are frum, this is still a public forum on the internet. In that case, wouldn't everyone's advice to not return it here constitute a hillul hashem?

In agreement with this one here.
Hence bringing it to the post office, that in itself is a kiddish hashem, is it not? The postal worker sees that you found a passport and you take your time to make sure the rightful owner gets it back.

This reminded me, on a smaller level of this story - https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/11/us/connecticut-rabbi-returns-money/index.html

As far as the people who are talking about monetary value of a passport:
- It obviously has a monetary value to the owner, as several people have pointed out - the $120 or so to replace it
- It probably has some value on the black market
- For the sake of argument, does Machmas Chisaron Kis apply not just to the direct value of the item, but also to the potential greater loss of time and money that may be incurred if the passport is used to steal the holder's identity?


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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2019, 09:54:44 AM »
If you are concerned with Kiddush Hashem, you can just send it to the government with a note that the Jewish religion values doing good deeds or something.

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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2019, 10:00:59 AM »
If you are concerned with Kiddush Hashem, you can just send it to the government with a note that the Jewish religion values doing good deeds or something.
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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2019, 12:25:57 PM »
I'm just curious - while I imagine 99% of the people who use DDF are frum, this is still a public forum on the internet. In that case, wouldn't everyone's advice to not return it here constitute a hillul hashem?


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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2019, 01:55:04 PM »
As far as the people who are talking about monetary value of a passport:
- It obviously has a monetary value to the owner, as several people have pointed out - the $120 or so to replace it
- It probably has some value on the black market
- For the sake of argument, does Machmas Chisaron Kis apply not just to the direct value of the item, but also to the potential greater loss of time and money that may be incurred if the passport is used to steal the holder's identity?

It might sound counterintuitive, but my question (I really don't know, I'm no expert in Choshen Mishpot) of whether it has a din השבה was to negate the quoted הלכה that one may not do השבת אבידה to a אינו יהודי. If it doesn't have a din השבה due to the fact that it has no monetary value (I don't know this, I'm speculating), then there might not be any צד איסורto return it to a non-Jew.
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Re: Found A Lost Passport What Do I Do?
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2019, 04:27:10 PM »
   On another note.. I had the question asked to
R' forcheimer and said you shouldn't return the passport. By the way, the passport says that it belongs to the government.
It might sound counterintuitive, but my question (I really don't know, I'm no expert in Choshen Mishpot) of whether it has a din השבה was to negate the quoted הלכה that one may not do השבת אבידה to a אינו יהודי. If it doesn't have a din השבה due to the fact that it has no monetary value (I don't know this, I'm speculating), then there might not be any צד איסורto return it to a non-Jew.
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