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Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #300 on: June 02, 2019, 11:52:31 AM »
I'm not convinced that you are as well versed as you consider yourself to be.
I think @aygart has a very good track record of knowing what he's talking about here, especially when it comes to halacha. You on the other hand have no such record and have done nothing in this thread to convince anyone that you have a very good grasp of the degree of nuance involved here and in most complicated halachic issues.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #301 on: June 02, 2019, 11:57:02 AM »
that's what the vast majority of abortions are.
This applies to you as well
You are so busy arguing that you don't even know what you are arguing about.
Forbidden does not equal murder.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #302 on: June 02, 2019, 11:58:38 AM »
Not my point. I'm not convinced that you are as well versed as you consider yourself to be.
That would make sense considering that you do not know how well versed i consider myself to be nor how well versed i actually am.

You have yet to bring a source for your assertion that the majority are as strict as you are making it.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #303 on: June 02, 2019, 12:07:01 PM »
This applies to you as wellForbidden does not equal murder.
what are you talking about?
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #304 on: June 02, 2019, 12:08:16 PM »
That would make sense considering that you do not know how well versed i consider myself to be nor how well versed i actually am.

You have yet to bring a source for your assertion that the majority are as strict as you are making it.
a simple google search will provide you with ample proof.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #305 on: June 02, 2019, 12:08:25 PM »
what are you talking about?
Maybe you should take a step back and see exactly what you are arguing about.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #306 on: June 02, 2019, 12:08:42 PM »
I think @aygart has a very good track record of knowing what he's talking about here, especially when it comes to halacha. You on the other hand have no such record and have done nothing in this thread to convince anyone that you have a very good grasp of the degree of nuance involved here and in most complicated halachic issues.
whatever
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #307 on: June 02, 2019, 12:09:38 PM »
a simple google search will provide you with ample proof.
Nope. It actually shows otherwise at least with the way you are presenting the opinion of R Moshe.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #308 on: June 02, 2019, 12:09:49 PM »
Maybe you should take a step back and see exactly what you are arguing about.
I've been advancing my point throughout this thread so it isn't ambiguous at all.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #309 on: June 02, 2019, 12:11:45 PM »
Nope. It actually shows otherwise at least with the way you are presenting the opinion of R Moshe.
Wrong. His opinion is clear in his writings, which I made reference to above. As far as learning about how severe the majority opinion views almost all abortions, Google can enlighten you
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #310 on: June 02, 2019, 12:11:54 PM »
I've been advancing my point throughout this thread so it isn't ambiguous at all.
I am not sure that you are understanding what it is you are arguing against.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #311 on: June 02, 2019, 12:13:11 PM »


I am pretty sure that you are not understanding what it is you are arguing against.
Ftfm

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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #312 on: June 02, 2019, 12:15:31 PM »
whatever
That is something i can agree with you about.
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #313 on: June 02, 2019, 12:18:01 PM »
Wrong. His opinion is clear in his writings, which I made reference to above. As far as learning about how severe the majority opinion views almost all abortions, Google can enlighten you
Just to be clear,are there any cases other than sakonas nefoshos where you are feeling abortions can be permitted any time after conception?
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Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« Reply #314 on: June 02, 2019, 12:22:06 PM »
I am not sure that you are understanding what it is you are arguing against.
Mostly the liberal outlook of many on this thread which colors their opinion even on issues that are primarily halachic.

Furthermore, the view that any minority opinion carries equal weight against a majority opinion, particularly when world renown
halachic heavyweights are on the other side.

That is actually indicative of someone pushing a liberal agenda, not someone serious about what the Torah has to say on the topic.
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