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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2019, 11:53:05 PM »
There's thread on burgers so here goes.
Almost all research these days points to eating very little red meat.  I used to eat steak or burgers every night, now I switched mainly to fish and veggies, sure I do insane wine dinners but beyond those I try to eat 0 red meat.

I feel the best I ever have and lost 20 lbs since.

Has anyone else given up red meat to just a few times a month?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/mediterranean-diet/art-20047801

Cheesecake is the true leader, who likes meat?!

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2019, 05:43:26 AM »
Fish these days are full of contaminates and heavy metals. I wouldn't over do it..

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2019, 05:58:33 AM »
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Squeeze a lemon in warm water in morning
Steel cut oats, with flax seeds and raisins and honey for breakfast, green and black tea.

I usually get cold brew or pour Over coffee before noon.

Lunch is fish something, poke or sushi or soup

Dinner is fish usually salmon baked, veggies like bok choy, asparagus, shitake mushrooms etc .

Fruit 1-2 times a day, berries or grapefruit or melon.

Bread with lunch or dinner, whole grain buckwheat bread dipped in olive oil.

I eat pistachios as a random snack or some whole grain chips like "food should taste so good" or wtvr.

I drink a lot of wine..

Eggs occasionally. Lots of random veggies, I eat saltwater brined pickles here and there, sauerkraut etc for gut health.

That is a lot of fish.  No chicken? Sounds good otherwise. What do you do for shabbos?

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2019, 06:00:40 AM »
Fish these days are full of contaminates and heavy metals. I wouldn't over do it..

Depends where it's from but true

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2019, 07:11:31 AM »
I cut back on meat a few years ago. Combination of ethical reasons and focusing on eating as healthy as possible.



But I was never a huge meataholic so so it didn't take much effort.


I think more important than not eating meat is what you 'are' eating.

Very easy to still be putting garbage into your body.

Good for you btw! Feeling good is the biggest draw to a healthy diet in my opinion. 

"ethical reasons" WTH?

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2019, 07:58:49 AM »
"ethical reasons" WTH?
Not sure why that warranted such a response.

 But yes, I just have concerns of how animals get treated and it leaves me with a bad feeling to be part of that.

I still eat meat, chicken, eggs etc   Just something I'm conscience of that effects my personal eating habits.




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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2019, 08:37:02 AM »
Not sure why that warranted such a response.

 But yes, I just have concerns of how animals get treated and it leaves me with a bad feeling to be part of that.

I still eat meat, chicken, eggs etc   Just something I'm conscience of that effects my personal eating habits.

Eggs are probably the worst from an ethical perspective in the US. Most egg producers in the US literally starve the birds for weeks to bump up egg production, killing some birds in the process, and subjecting the rest to what some would call a torturous existence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting

You can buy organic/ free range but then blood spots are far more of a kashrus issue.
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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2019, 08:40:25 AM »
Eggs are probably the worst from an ethical perspective in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting

You can buy organic/ free range but then blood spots are far more of a kashrus issue.


I buy local eggs from farmers. But yes, its pricier and I do have more eggs with issues.

They also generally taste SO MUCH BETTER.

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2019, 10:00:16 AM »
Yeah part of the unhealthy aspect of red meat is also how the animals are raised.

But I don't think the modern western diet is healthy at all.

 https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2017/04/enter-blue-zone/#gs.cij054

All the research shows that more plants and less meat helps you live longer.

Rice and beans are great, lentil soup, etc. To me tge biggest frustration is all these meat heavy kosher places.

Felafel is my Achilles heel. It's fried so it's not great but the chicpeas are healthy.

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2019, 10:10:11 AM »
Not sure what the joke is here but please invite me to you're party at your death bed so we can a laugh at healthy eaters as you die at 60.

You sound like a smoker who mocks non smokers. You want to eat unhealthy? It's your constitutional right. But why hijack this thread.

Yes healthy eaters can die Young and unhealthy people can live long.

But bh in my family those that lived and are alive at 94-103 keep this form of diet.

Enjoy your soda in hell at 50

No question that the Mediterranean is the gold standard of diets. Keep in mind that although not conclusive, some studies show that being a bit chubby after middle age actually corresponds to lower mortality than those who are thin, and certainly vs those who are underweight. Also Longevity has a strong genetic component; it tends to run in families even after factoring in lifestyle. Having a positive outlook, close relationships, religion, and being productive are also factors.

A recent study suggested that people who walk fast (even those morbidly obese!) live years longer than those who walk slowly.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7038267/amp/Fast-walkers-live-15-years-longer-dawdlers-study-claims.html
So diet is important but there are a whole host of factors that end up contributing to longevity. One side of my family seems to have the gene. My grandparent had 12 siblings, and all lived to the mid to upper 90ís to low 100ís except one who died in middle age of a freak infection and septic shock. One was a kindergarten teacher. One founded a major media firm. One didnít drive a car and walked everywhere. Another drove all day to sales and the like. All were incredibly active well into their 80ís and were generally happy, positive people who were interested in life. My grandparent ate frozen pizza, grilled cheese, meals on wheels, school lunches as well as meat. Most of them were on the chubby side but mostly in moderation.

On my other side I had a relative who didnít touch sugar, white flour, or  meat. She took long walks daily and was in good shape. Her family did not have longevity, and she got the machla in her lower 70ís.

So the Mediterranean diet is a great lifestyle move, but just one of many factors when it comes to longevity.

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2019, 10:22:16 AM »
Almost zero processed foods, diet is primarily whole grains, nuts, fruits, veggies, and fish.

No added sugar at all.
My wife and I switched to a (mostly) whole foods plant based diet several months ago, not too dissimilar from what you've described...fish and chicken each once a week (eggs, maybe twice  a week and beef twice a month approximately) but the rest of our diet is whole grains, nuts, fruits, veggies and loads of legumes. The only added sugars for us now are in the form of honey, dates or pure maple syrup (all of which are used sparingly). We also started buying organic and free range responsibly farmed meats - more to avoid the hormones used to raise animals than anything but the ethical considerations is a definite bonus.

We also started exercising regularly, so I can't draw a conclusion that the diet plays a role but I haven't felt as good as I do in many years. Everything from energy to cognition to aches and pains improved.

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2019, 10:36:17 AM »
Not sure why that warranted such a response.

 But yes, I just have concerns of how animals get treated and it leaves me with a bad feeling to be part of that.

I still eat meat, chicken, eggs etc   Just something I'm conscience of that effects my personal eating habits.






AKA bleeding heart for nonsense that is never seen in our religion. We have an issue with tzaar baalei chaim, but it is nowhere mentioned in the literature that as a result you should become a bleeding heart and refrain from eating meat.

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2019, 10:38:03 AM »
Yeah I have to point out cognition. I used to have major brain fog and now no more.

All the articles do point out that besides eating well and being active, having a social life and family etc were contribution.


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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2019, 10:39:31 AM »
AKA bleeding heart for nonsense that is never seen in our religion. We have an issue with tzaar baalei chaim, but it is nowhere mentioned in the literature that as a result you should become a bleeding heart and refrain from eating meat.

Eh it's why I stopped using a chicken for kaparos. They'd arrive half dead, be swung and slaughtered and often discarded.

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Re: Mediterranean diet
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2019, 10:43:54 AM »
AKA bleeding heart for nonsense that is never seen in our religion. We have an issue with tzaar baalei chaim, but it is nowhere mentioned in the literature that as a result you should become a bleeding heart and refrain from eating meat.

Who said it was mentioned in literature?

Hashem gave me a heart and a mind and like I mentioned above- it's something that leaves me with a bad feeling sometimes benefiting from such things and I just try to be conscience about it and yes it does affect my personal eating habits.

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