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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2019, 11:17:11 AM »
He officially bet an uncharacteristically low amount on the final
It was actually quite strategic. Think about it. Certainly not thrown IMHO.
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2019, 11:37:13 AM »
Before I watched the video, was commenting to the wife and kids about his bottom-up strategy. One of the other things you need to consider is that if he builds an early lead, the others will feel defeated psychologically. Also, by taking out the highest value questions first - if he does build a lead, it makes it harder for opponents to catch up.

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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2019, 11:44:51 AM »
It was actually quite strategic. Think about it. Certainly not thrown IMHO.

...explain?
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2019, 11:45:19 AM »
It was actually quite strategic. Think about it. Certainly not thrown IMHO.

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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2019, 11:45:39 AM »
...explain?
Did you watch the clip?
What would you have bet in that situation?

Seems like he made the perfect bet to me.
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2019, 11:46:12 AM »
...explain?
Good thing this is JS :D
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2019, 11:46:51 AM »
Did you watch the clip?
What would you have bet in that situation?

Seems like he made the perfect bet to me.
his bets were always to get him just above anyone else total.  and by him betting so low he knew he cant win if this other contestant is correct.

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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2019, 11:48:43 AM »
his bets were always to get him just above anyone else total.  and by him betting so low he knew he cant win if this other contestant is correct.
That's because he's always bet from the top before. This was the perfect bet for the 2nd position.
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2019, 11:49:48 AM »
Did you watch the clip?
What would you have bet in that situation?

Seems like he made the perfect bet to me.

His bet could only lead to a win if the leader was incorrect.

But what if she wasn't incorrect (which is what happened)?
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2019, 11:49:57 AM »
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2019, 11:51:35 AM »
His bet could only lead to a win if the leader was incorrect.

But what if she wasn't incorrect (which is what happened)?

Also, not if she only bet a few dollars being that she already had the lead and just needed to hope she maintained it...

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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2019, 11:59:25 AM »
Did you watch the clip?
What would you have bet in that situation?

Seems like he made the perfect bet to me.
+1

If everyone is betting logically, #1 will bet enough to beat #2 even if #2 bets everything he has. In this case, if #1 was wrong then she drops out of the race. Therefore, #2 needs to bet enough just to beat #3 even if #3 bets everything he has. Which in this case was exactly the amount that he bet.

OR in simpler terms - he knew he wasn't going to win if the leader got the answer right. So he just needed to make sure that he beat the guy behind him just in case the leader got the question wrong.
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2019, 12:02:10 PM »
Also, not if she only bet a few dollars being that she already had the lead and just needed to hope she maintained it...

-He knew the #1 would bet enough so that if she was right she would beat him. So his only hope of winning is if she was wrong. But since he could be wrong too, he had to bet little enough so that she would have less than him if they were both wrong.
-He knew he had to watch out for #3, so he bet enough to make sure that #3 couldn't catch him even if he bet everything and got it right, as long as James got it right.

But #1 got it right and of course she bet enough so that she could not be caught even if James bet everything.

The end  :'(
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2019, 12:03:00 PM »
+1

If everyone is betting logically, #1 will bet enough to beat #2 even if #2 bets everything he has. In this case, if #1 was wrong then she drops out of the race. Therefore, #2 needs to bet enough just to beat #3 even if #3 bets everything he has. Which in this case was exactly the amount that he bet.

OR in simpler terms - he knew he wasn't going to win if the leader got the answer right. So he just needed to make sure that he beat the guy behind him just in case the leader got the question wrong.
Yup.
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Re: James Holzhauer
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2019, 12:05:31 PM »
Yup.
Yup the most he could have gotten was 46,800 if he bet everything. She bet 20,201 which brought her to 46,801.