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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2011, 11:57:42 PM »
I agree, frum jews are generally more conservative; so are republicans.

I would add that republicans, like them or not, tend to be more (not completely, but more) honest, open, and transparent. Democrats tend to use double-speak and avoid giving their real opinions, because their real opinion might alienate some voters.

Republican's financial policy tends to be better, too.

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2011, 12:38:32 AM »
Republican's financial policy tends to be better, too.

Lesser of two evils, big government policies  (from both major parties) are bankrupting our country.
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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2011, 12:59:18 AM »
Republicans (at least the good ones) are against big government.

And i agree with you, although I'd include entitlement programs as part of "big government."

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2011, 02:16:20 AM »
Republicans (at least the good ones) are against big government.

And i agree with you, although I'd include entitlement programs as part of "big government"

What is a good republican? Or a politician for that case?

And of course I'm including entitlements.

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2011, 08:00:26 AM »
Or a politician for that case?

 ;D

A dead one?

I define a good republican as one who is a true conservative, not calling himself one while actually following liberal ideals, and doesn't just pay lip service while actually doing and saying whatever will get him re-elected.

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2011, 08:17:19 AM »
+1

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2011, 11:19:45 AM »
to claim one money policy is better than the other is insane. Both parties can twist the numbers  around to prove theirs is better with ease.Unless you have a phd in economics your opinion is worthless

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2011, 11:23:26 AM »
in our current economy i think both sides need to compromise and we should raise taxes a little on corporations and also cut a lot of entitlements

republican politicians and democrats are both not trustworthy but the republicans make more sense most of the time recently

as they say a liberal is just someone who hasnt been mugged

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2011, 11:28:18 AM »
in our current economy i think both sides need to compromise and we should raise taxes a little on corporations
So that even more can relocate overseas in a lower tax-burdened country?
Corporations already are taxed.  Sales tax on products they buy.  Sales tax on products they sell.  Payroll taxes.  Their employees are all paying federal/state/muni income tax/social security/medicare on money paid out by the corporation.  Investors are paying income tax on profit distributions from corporations that already was taxed.  Etc, etc.

And they wonder why these corporations aren't creating more jobs  ::)

Taxing them more causes less job creation and/or relocation.
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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2011, 11:30:02 AM »
i agree with you that its not the best solution but the govt also has to come up with a way to raise new revenue to go along with thier cuts in order to balance the budget

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2011, 11:38:36 AM »
in our current economy i think both sides need to compromise and we should raise taxes a little on corporations

Taxes on corporations is a classic politicians trick.
I am in a Reading group on Corporate taxation, and we were discussing why people think it makes sense to tax corporations at all.
Corporations are not rich people, they are anybody who happens to own shares in that stock. So, pension funds, 401ks, henche, anyone.

Additionally, the money is taxed anyway when it is distributed to shareholders, so why should we tax it at the corporate level. If you think tax rates on individuals should be higher, just make them higher.

We decided that it is probably that people think of corporations as being "someone else". Nobody pictures themselves as being a corporation, and they don't realize their union pension is the one who owns these big bad corporations.

(Realize, corporate tax existed before individual tax. So it wasn't double taxation back then- it was the only income tax)

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2011, 11:59:42 AM »

Corporations are not rich people, they are anybody who happens to own shares in that stock. So, pension funds, 401ks, henche, anyone.

+1; everyone made fun of the "corporations are people too" thing, but it's true - when you blame, tax, hurt corporations, you're really hurting the people who own shares. And not all of them are even rich, someone can have an extra $1,000 that they invested, and that's the only savings they have (granted, not the best saving/investment strategy, but plenty of people don't have good strategies).

i agree with you that its not the best solution but the govt also has to come up with a way to raise new revenue to go along with thier cuts in order to balance the budget

I thought that for a while, too. In other words, it's not fair to tax rich people more (which is what happens right now, richer people pay the lion's share of all taxes, which is what gets left out when democrats talk about these things and try to turn public opinion against rich people), but we don't have a choice, because we have to cover our budget.

Then I realized that although that's partially true, what really needs to happen is that we need to remove wasteful spending from the budget, instead of raising taxes. It's a proven fact that the longer people get unemployment benefits, the longer they stay out of work. I'm not saying to eliminate benefits entirely, but they should be strictly a short-term thing. Other entitelment programs need to be trimmed down considerably, too. For many people, it doesn't pay to work - in other words, if you don't work (or make very little money), you get more value in benefits than if you earned more - even $10-20,000 more. That doesn't encourage a growth economy.

to claim one money policy is better than the other is insane. Both parties can twist the numbers  around to prove theirs is better with ease.Unless you have a phd in economics your opinion is worthless

Actually, there's an old saying along the lines of "some things are so stupid only someone with a PhD could believe them. Some things are obvious to everyone, and studies have clearly show things. For example, in regards to studies showing that increasing unemployment benefits increases the length of time people stay out of work, everyone agrees to those studies. However, liberals will claim that allowing more time out of work eventually will create a more stable economy, because people have more time to search for a job that suits them best. That may be true - but there's no evidence for it. So they're explaining a fact with an opinion.

Take another example - Obama's encouragement of unemployed people to sue prospective employers if they don't get a job because they're unemployed. That just encourages frivolous lawsuits.

You don't have to have a PhD to see the obvious.

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2011, 12:03:16 PM »
agree that unemployment and welfare and food stamps and similiar entitlement programs must be rewritten to make ppl go out and get jobs and not just live off the system

but then there is no more kolel lifestyle (not neccessarily a bad thing)

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2011, 12:11:19 PM »
Remember the best economic time was the clinton years

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2011, 12:16:56 PM »
agree that unemployment and welfare and food stamps and similiar entitlement programs must be rewritten to make ppl go out and get jobs and not just live off the system

but then there is no more kolel lifestyle (not neccessarily a bad thing)

Not necessarily true - it means that people who choose to learn in kollel will either have to (insert one or more of the following): get supported, have a wife that works, find another way of raising money (tutoring, etc), learn to live within their means, limit the number of years they stay in kollel, etc. Also, part of the support for people learning in kollel comes from contributions from people who give tzedaka, who feel that it is a worthwhile investment.

Also, if the system was more streamlined, then the people making money would have more money to support people learning in kollel (whether that refers to people supporting relatives, sons-in-law, or simply contributing to a kollel).

Remember the best economic time was the clinton years

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-03.html

His policies that succeeded sound an awful lot like republican policies.

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2011, 12:36:26 PM »
i was half kidding about the kolel years

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2011, 12:52:05 PM »
to claim one money policy is better than the other is insane. Both parties can twist the numbers  around to prove theirs is better with ease.Unless you have a phd in economics your opinion is worthless

So now the value of knowledge is based on the cost of tuition, no wonder why tuition is going up like it's going out of style...

Seriously, you don't need a degree in economics, or even some common sense, to know that 14 trillion (and counting) in national debt, and a deficit that isn't getting any smaller, is not a good thing.
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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2011, 12:55:27 PM »
yeah even this guy gets it and wants obama to do something about it
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150311478847717

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2011, 01:18:45 PM »
percentage of gdp 14 trillion is historicly avg or below it, look it up

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Re: Why are frum poeple republicans
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2011, 02:21:11 PM »
percentage of gdp 14 trillion is historicly avg or below it, look it up


what's your source for that? Current debt is nearly 100% of our country's GDP, and rising, which is historically ridiculously high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_debt_to_GDP_-_2000_to_2010.png