AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY

[sguitarist18]

The question becomes how controlling  they're going to want to be in terms of the subjects taught.

And part of the reason everyone is against this is because it sets a bad precedent of being told not just what students have to know, but also what to teach, and how.

[Yonah]

The question becomes how controlling  they're going to want to be in terms of the subjects taught.

And part of the reason everyone is against this is because it sets a bad precedent of being told not just what students have to know, but also what to teach, and how.

Exactly my point - which is why even some non-religious private schools are against it. The fight isn't as much about adequacy as it is about governmental control of private schooling.

[stooges44]

Thursday, August 22


Dear Parents of Yeshiva Darchei Torah and All Caring Yidden,

Look at the headline above; it appears on the cover one of our local Jewish newspapers today.

Dramatic, isn't it?

But it's real.

I am not a person who believes in drama and hyperbole where it is not warranted. But Klal Yisroel in the State of New York is in serious and imminent danger.

This is about a real and looming crisis facing every single yeshiva, Bais Yaakov and day school family in our state.

We sent out emails earlier in the summer about this, and many of you followed the prompts to make your voice heard in Albany. We thank you. Many of you did not. The deadline to submit comments on the NYS Education Department guidelines is Labor Day, Sept. 2 - just over a week away.

I urge you - I beseech you - stop whatever you are doing and make your voice heard, right now! This cannot wait.

Whether you are a yeshiva parent or not--
Whether you live in New York State or not--
Please submit the petition!

It's easy.
The repercussions of a negative ruling from Albany will, chas v'shalom, not be easy.

We rely, as always, on Hashem for our ultimate salvation in every crisis. But we dare not sit on our laurels. Inaction is not an option in this case.

Please, make sure that you and your spouse's voices are heard, and then forward this email to all of your relatives, close and distant, and urge them to make their voices heard as well.

The time is now.

Sincerely,


Rabbi Yaakov Bender

[shapsam]

https://twitter.com/OJPAC/status/1164877586377388033

[Yonah]

What's the headline?

Thursday, August 22


Dear Parents of Yeshiva Darchei Torah and All Caring Yidden,

Look at the headline above; it appears on the cover one of our local Jewish newspapers today.

Dramatic, isn't it?

But it's real.

I am not a person who believes in drama and hyperbole where it is not warranted. But Klal Yisroel in the State of New York is in serious and imminent danger.

This is about a real and looming crisis facing every single yeshiva, Bais Yaakov and day school family in our state.

We sent out emails earlier in the summer about this, and many of you followed the prompts to make your voice heard in Albany. We thank you. Many of you did not. The deadline to submit comments on the NYS Education Department guidelines is Labor Day, Sept. 2 - just over a week away.

I urge you - I beseech you - stop whatever you are doing and make your voice heard, right now! This cannot wait.

Whether you are a yeshiva parent or not--
Whether you live in New York State or not--
Please submit the petition!

It's easy.
The repercussions of a negative ruling from Albany will, chas v'shalom, not be easy.

We rely, as always, on Hashem for our ultimate salvation in every crisis. But we dare not sit on our laurels. Inaction is not an option in this case.

Please, make sure that you and your spouse's voices are heard, and then forward this email to all of your relatives, close and distant, and urge them to make their voices heard as well.

The time is now.

Sincerely,


Rabbi Yaakov Bender

[Yef]

https://www.fivetownsjewishhome.com/current-issue/

[shwarmabob]

https://www.fivetownsjewishhome.com/current-issue/

page 82. It's a well written article. It's not about secular education but government bureaucrats telling us how to educate our children. Even when paying through the roof for private schools in order to avoid the disaster that NYC schools have become.

[Moshe123]

We win. At least for now.

https://www.regents.nysed.gov/common/regents/files/220p12d1.pdf

[Boruch999]

We win. At least for now.

https://www.regents.nysed.gov/common/regents/files/220p12d1.pdf

That's a win?  Look to me like temporary reprieve.

[Yonah]

We win. At least for now.

https://www.regents.nysed.gov/common/regents/files/220p12d1.pdf

The TL;DR, IMHO - wow, a lot of people have issues with this, we need to think a little more before we can implement anything.

[Boruch999]

The TL;DR, IMHO - wow, a lot of people have issues with this, we need to think a little more before we can implement anything.

IMHO - wow, an order of magnitude more comments than ever before, the optics of ignoring completely are really bad and don't bode well for our political future, let's pretend to take it seriously. 

[aygart]

The TL;DR, IMHO - wow, a lot of people have issues with this, we need to think a little more before we can implement anything.

IMHO - wow, an order of magnitude more comments than ever before, the optics of ignoring completely are really bad and don't bode well for our political future, let's pretend to take it seriously. 

How are these different?

[Boruch999]

How are these different?

I thought @Yonah 's summary gave the impression of genuine care and concern.

[Yonah]

I thought @Yonah 's summary gave the impression of genuine care and concern.

Please find me a genuine politician - there aren't too many, and most are on a local level.

This is a situation where the BOE is getting it on both sides - Lawsuits on the one hand from Organizations like YAFFED, and comments on the other hand from nearly every private school demographic.

I honestly don't think that this is over, but I think that they will come back in 6 months time with either:
a) Reduced guidelines based on time of instruction
or
b) A Requirement to show proficiency - i.e. pass a test

I'm thinking more likely #b - which doesn't really impact the yeshivas that are already administering Regents tests.

[shapsam]

Please find me a genuine politician - there aren't too many, and most are on a local level.

This is a situation where the BOE is getting it on both sides - Lawsuits on the one hand from Organizations like YAFFED, and comments on the other hand from nearly every private school demographic.

I honestly don't think that this is over, but I think that they will come back in 6 months time with either:
a) Reduced guidelines based on time of instruction
or
b) A Requirement to show proficiency - i.e. pass a test

I'm thinking more likely #b - which doesn't really impact the yeshivas that are already administering Regents tests.

A judge ruled that YAFFED has no standing to sue.

CMIIW but I'm pretty sure all yeshiva students (K-8) already have a state test.

[YitzyS]

BUMP.

Not just for NY residents. Open to everyone.

Last time they got to 140,000. I'm afraid they will fall short this time, because it's hard to stir up the same response the second time around. Also, the recent petition for the Kosel may have dulled us, because IMO that petition was not nearly as important as this one, not even close. However, getting anything less than 140,000 now will make it sound like it's not important anymore to us IMO.

Please take a minute and submit a comment.


https://voice.agudah.org/

[yr]

This petition seems to marginalize the chasidim who don't want or can't leave a particular chasidus, but receive little secular studies.


Is there any petition in support of the chasidish yeshivas teaching a legitimate secular education on par with Yeshivish schools (Chofetz Chaim, Chaim Berlin, Torah Vodas, Torah Temimah et al)?

[zh cohen]

This petition seems to marginalize the chasidim who don't want or can't leave a particular chasidus, but receive little secular studies.

That's because it's a petition to the state, not to the hanhola of the yeshivos.

[whacked1]

That's because it's a petition to the state, not to the hanhola of the yeshivos.

Has there been a petition to the "hanhola" of the yeshivos that dont have any english though?

[zh cohen]

Has there been a petition to the "hanhola" of the yeshivos that dont have any english though?

Don't know. But if there was, and it's was coming from anyone other than members of the chassidus in question, I would be very suspicious of the motives..