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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2019, 01:17:46 PM »
And therein lies the problem. Expecting anything that makes sense as an outcome of politics.
Where did you see such an expectation?
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2019, 01:19:42 PM »
Time is not a be all and end all, but I think a people who understand that time is an important part of the learning process for Torah could understand that spending more time on math makes one better at math etc.

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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2019, 01:20:32 PM »
Only a matter of time for JS!
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2019, 01:22:52 PM »
Isn't this the most appropriate thread for the task. Given that I don't even have a high-school diploma, nor do any of my children. (though oldest daughter did get a GED, and that definitely cements my opinion about it being a crime to waste time on secular studies).
No need to tell us you don't have a HS diploma as we can tell from this logic.  :)
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2019, 01:24:48 PM »
Bump as I think @ExGingi missed my clueless question.  :)

Here's some background reading (though you'd probably need to read the entire story, not just this excerpt).

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2990/jewish/Chapter-IV-The-Interview.htm

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"What is your vocation?"

"I am involved in studies, the study of the knowledge of G‑dliness known as Chassidus, and the study of Jewish Law and its observance in accordance with the Jewish religion."
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2019, 01:26:32 PM »
Here's some background reading (though you'd probably need to read the entire story, not just this excerpt).

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2990/jewish/Chapter-IV-The-Interview.htm
All I did was ask a very basic simple question. If you don't want to answer it I fully understand.
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #81 on: July 12, 2019, 01:28:20 PM »
No need to tell us you don't have a HS diploma as we can tell from this logic.  :)

Wow. First time I ever heard that logical reasoning has anything to do with a high school diploma. I guess that's why some people's logic might be so flawed, as it comes from their high school diploma.
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2019, 01:32:18 PM »
Wow. First time I ever heard that logical reasoning has anything to do with a high school diploma. I guess that's why some people's logic might be so flawed, as it comes from their high school diploma.
Not mine.  ;)
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2019, 01:33:45 PM »
More than half the time for religion is a bit much.
The 3 hours is clearly getting more than just the job done.
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2019, 01:36:41 PM »
An alternative middle ground we be results on various standardized test. If they can meet standards in less time all the power to them.
A yeshiva that teaches a proper 3 hours of chol 4 days a week will ace a standardized test.
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2019, 01:39:53 PM »
I hate when people throw this argument around - while there's definitely validity to it, I think too many people treat it as an all or nothing proposition, it's not. Some examples:

- That money is in transportation dollars for kids who get busing to Yeshivas
- That money is in subsidizing Breakfast and Lunch in some poorer communities
- That money is in the special education services that kids with IEPs receive.

So while most Yeshiva-Heavy districts spend less on average for a Yeshiva kid in their district, they do still spend a lot, likewise, while a Yeshiva Parent that is a taxpayer probably gets less value than his neighbor who's kids go to public school, but is still getting value from their school taxes
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2019, 01:41:34 PM »
Bump as I think @ExGingi missed my clueless question.  :)
Think you may have missed my post from earlier...

To ExGingi's point - Gemara itself, fulfills several secular subjects:
- Critical Thinking  / Critical Literacy
- Law
- Discrete Mathematics (Logic)
- Although it's a stretch, it also teaches History (via aggadata) and Social Studies (i.e. forms of government, courts, social structure of second temple society)

.. studying Talmud isn't just like reading a textbook, but rather builds logic and reasoning skills, and teaches history, math, law and social studies along the way.

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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2019, 01:49:43 PM »
To ExGingi's point - Gemara itself, fulfills several secular subjects:
- Critical Thinking  / Critical Literacy
- Law
- Discrete Mathematics (Logic)
- Although it's a stretch, it also teaches History (via aggadata) and Social Studies (i.e. forms of government, courts, social structure of second temple society)

Won't teach American history. But not sure how much a high school diploma would help. I would imagine DJT posses one but doubt CV would give him a passing mark.
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2019, 01:51:34 PM »
I had 2-2.5 hours of daily secular studies in high school and only had 3 years of it. Still managed a 1420 on the SAT, skipped college, and got a 3.98 GPA in business grad school.

4.4 hours seems excessive. Negotiating tactic?
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Re: AN URGENT APPEAL TO THE NY YESHIVA COMMUNITY
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2019, 01:57:26 PM »
I had 2-2.5 hours of daily secular studies in high school and only had 3 years of it. Still managed a 1420 on the SAT, skipped college, and got a 3.98 GPA in business grad school.

4.4 hours seems excessive. Negotiating tactic?
If the yeshivas were willing to conceed to 2.5 hours and actually do it, I think the government wouldn't be making a big deal.

I'd also say that the majority of kids can't succeed with DIY education models so anecdotes aren't so useful.