Kosher Food in Airports and Airport Lounges

[as2]

Akrai is easy. That means that it can't be a regular thing done bkvius like stopping in the bar on the way home from work each day. An airport lounge, even for a frequent flier, would only be because you happen to be at that specific airport in that terminal with access to that lounge. Everyone there is akrai. It is not like the local bar.

Arai means as opposed to "sitting and drinking". It may be possible  in some lounges to have cases which are not arai. This is why I wrote "if done derech arai". If the lounge has a bar where people "sit and drink" in a similar manner to the local bar then it may present an issue. If you are just taking a beer from the fridge and going to a couch on the side with your sefer/laptop/book/etc. then that is not כדרך שאדם קובע בשתיה

Please hush, I'm trying to drink my martini in piece here at bar.

[yitrap]

What about a complimentary bar like centurion lounge, is makom mechiraso a din in them actually selling or in the distribution location.

[aygart]

Please hush, I'm trying to drink my martini in piece here at bar.

Now I am getting hit from both sides. If any of you understand the shitos here differently at least say what your understanding is.

[churnbabychurn]

Akrai is easy. That means that it can't be a regular thing done bkvius like stopping in the bar on the way home from work each day. An airport lounge, even for a frequent flier, would only be because you happen to be at that specific airport in that terminal with access to that lounge. Everyone there is akrai. It is not like the local bar.

Arai means as opposed to "sitting and drinking". It may be possible  in some lounges to have cases which are not arai. This is why I wrote "if done derech arai". If the lounge has a bar where people "sit and drink" in a similar manner to the local bar then it may present an issue. If you are just taking a beer from the fridge and going to a couch on the side with your sefer/laptop/book/etc. then that is not כדרך שאדם קובע בשתיה

אם כן נפל התירא בבירא
So you can't sit and drink at a bar.

(See what I did there?)

[aygart]

We wouldn't typically go w the ramo if most poskim argue strongly is what I meant..

Either way, how are defining bakrai AND derech arai as applied to a lounge?

I am not sure how you are getting to most poskim arguing strongly since the Shach clearly goes with it and the TaZ doesn't argue. The Darkei Tshuva also brings some who go with the RMA. I still would say to be machmir due to the numerous cholkim. The Chochmas Odom says not to be moche on those lenient.

[aygart]

אם כן נפל התירא בבירה
So you can't sit and drink at a bar.

(See what I did there?)

FTFY

Yeah, you clarified your question to be within a specific portion of my answer.

[churnbabychurn]

I am not sure how you are getting to most poskim arguing strongly since the Shach clearly goes with it and the TaZ doesn't argue. The Darkei Tshuva also brings some who go with the RMA. I still would say to be machmir due to the numerous cholkim. The Chochmas Odom says not to be moche on those lenient.

The shach doesn't clearly go w it by virtue of his comment explaining the source.

But fyi, current day rabbis tend to be machmir when asked lemasseh if one can go for drinks w coworkers... Even for Parnassah.

[aygart]

But fyi, current day rabbis tend to be machmir when asked lemasseh if one can go for drinks w coworkers... Even for Parnassah.

Yes. the chochmas odom continues that either way nowadays one should not go to drink with goyim (He includes coffee BTW). That is separate from this gezeiro and would of course apply  in a lounge as well.

[churnbabychurn]

Yes. the chochmas odom continues that either way nowadays one should not go to drink with goyim (He includes coffee BTW). That is separate from this gezeiro and would of course apply  in a lounge as well.

It's not separate at all. Most poskim do not go w the ramo. Not then and not now.
Coffee is an extension of the gezeira discussed by many of the achronim here..

[aygart]

It's not separate at all. Most poskim do not go w the ramo. Not then and not now.
Coffee is an extension of the gezeira discussed by many of the achronim here..

Either you are not understanding me or you are wrong.

[zow]

We're flying on DL BOS-LGA-MSY next week, with 3+ hours layover in LGA. Looks like my credit cards will allow us access to Delta, Admiral's and Centurion, and maybe even could use my UA passes for the UA Club. From what I can glean here, seems like none of these lounges has much in the way of kosher food, save for drinks and box cereal.  Any other info? How would you spend 3 hours there?

[aygart]

We're flying on DL BOS-LGA-MSY next week, with 3+ hours layover in LGA. Looks like my credit cards will allow us access to Delta, Admiral's and Centurion, and maybe even could use my UA passes for the UA Club. From what I can glean here, seems like none of these lounges has much in the way of kosher food, save for drinks and box cereal.  Any other info? How would you spend 3 hours there?

With 3 hours you can go to parts of queens

[zow]

With 3 hours you can go to parts of queens

I presume you're joking, right? Unless maybe there's time to catch a Mets game?

[Dan]

I presume you're joking, right? Unless maybe there's time to catch a Mets game?

It's enough time to go grab some pizza or chinese.

[zow]

It's enough time to go grab some pizza or chinese.

Nice. I thought the Chinese was outside EWR? Where do you recommend near LGA?

[E R K]

Nice. I thought the Chinese was outside EWR? Where do you recommend near LGA?

Chosen Garden in Forest Hills

[Dan]

Nice. I thought the Chinese was outside EWR? Where do you recommend near LGA?

People have mentioned Annie's Kitchen when I asked in the past.

[mdb629]

People have mentioned Annie's Kitchen when I asked in the past.

I'm a Queens Native. Chosen is great, but more pricey. It's a sit down type of place. Annie's Kitchen is good and more affordable; you're typical Chinese fast food. Both are about 10 minutes from LGA. Annie's is on Main Street, which has a plethora of options. I recommend a Shwarma from Grill Point, on the corner of Main & Jewel.

[whYME]

Anything in MIA?

[Yaalili]

Anything in MIA?

https://yeahthatskosher.com/2016/01/miami-international-airport-now-stocking-kosher-meals/