Author Topic: Kosher Food in Airports and Airport Lounges (Read 465326 times)

Yaalili · « **Reply #660 on:** January 23, 2018, 08:04:42 PM »

Quote from: Dan on January 23, 2018, 08:50:54 AM

Gotta add that to the wiki.

Added.

mochada · « **Reply #661 on:** January 23, 2018, 11:40:11 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on January 22, 2018, 08:41:59 AM

Anything?

Be there in the morning. I'll report back.

mochada · « **Reply #662 on:** January 24, 2018, 07:00:21 AM »

Quote from: mochada on January 23, 2018, 11:40:11 PM

Be there in the morning. I'll report back.

Typical- coffee, juice, water :-P. No meal in flagship but have cereals, bagels, yogurts (non-pas/CY sorry folks)

Mutty · « **Reply #663 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:08:23 AM »

Need quick advice. I’m in dan lounge in Ben Gurion. Rabbanut hechsher. If I usually go for bdatz mehadrin what, if anything, can we eat. Everything is loose not packaged.

mmgfarb · « **Reply #664 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:36:34 AM »

Quote from: Mutty on February 04, 2018, 01:08:23 AM

Need quick advice. I’m in dan lounge in Ben Gurion. Rabbanut hechsher. If I usually go for bdatz mehadrin what, if anything, can we eat. Everything is loose not packaged.

Fruit

Mutty · « **Reply #665 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:37:43 AM »

Quote from: mmgfarb on February 04, 2018, 01:36:34 AM

Fruit

thanks

mmgfarb · « **Reply #666 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:38:45 AM »

Quote from: Mutty on February 04, 2018, 01:37:43 AM

thanks

Actually I take that back, I forgot this is TLV, fruit can be problematic as well.

Mutty · « **Reply #667 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:40:11 AM »

Quote from: mmgfarb on February 04, 2018, 01:38:45 AM

Actually I take that back, I forgot this is TLV, fruit can be problematic as well.

i was just going to update my thanks to what you just added. Oh well!

davidrotts63 · « **Reply #668 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:42:29 AM »

Quote from: mmgfarb on February 04, 2018, 01:38:45 AM

Actually I take that back, I forgot this is TLV, fruit can be problematic as well.

That's actually an interesting point. Is the regular rabbanut considered problematic for Maasir etc.?
ETA: for those makpid of course

mmgfarb · « **Reply #669 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:45:56 AM »

Quote from: davidrotts63 on February 04, 2018, 01:42:29 AM

That's actually an interesting point. Is the regular rabbanut considered problematic for Maasir etc.?
ETA: for those makpid of course

If you don't trust them regarding regular kashrus, why would you trust them with truma and maaser?

aygart · « **Reply #670 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:52:46 AM »

Quote from: Mutty on February 04, 2018, 01:08:23 AM

Need quick advice. I’m in dan lounge in Ben Gurion. Rabbanut hechsher. If I usually go for bdatz mehadrin what, if anything, can we eat. Everything is loose not packaged.

I think the crackers are good but ask to see the package. You can ask for the package for any item you think may be good.

mikebg · « **Reply #671 on:** February 04, 2018, 05:11:00 AM »

Quote from: mmgfarb on February 04, 2018, 01:45:56 AM

If you don't trust them regarding regular kashrus, why would you trust them with truma and maaser?

Well, for a number of reasons.
Practically speaking, fresh fruit and vegetables can actually have terumos and maasros taken twice, and this with the regular rabbanut.

Here's how it works:
1) Wholesale market.
2) Local store (or large scale caterer).
3) Local store with badatz type kashrus.

There are a few possible problems, due to the rabbanut not insisting on a number of chumros that, say, Rav Efrati holds are needed, but by and large things are not remotely like they were in the 1950's when the Chazon Ish zt"l recommended everyone to take terumos and maasros again at home. Added to this the fact that terumos and maasros is derabonnon nowadays, and the rule we follow is sofeik derabonnon lekulo (certainly when it is a dry mixture where it is botel berov min hatoro anyway).

As far as "trust" is concerned, there is a major difference between the kashrus supervision in large organised wholesale markets where everything going in and out is documented properly, and a small restaurant with a lazy mashgiach who rarely if ever actually turns up. The Rov of the airport is known to be a yerei shomayim.

So, the bottom line is that:
The veg in the lounge is not a problem (none of it will still be from shmitto ....). Chopped mixed leafy veg will always be "Gush Katif" style as the rabbanut insists on this.
Look at the containers of butter and cottage/cream cheese and see what hechsher it has - my experience is that it is usually mehadrin. Likewise for the milk. Even with the milk mehadrin only differs from regular as far as shabbos milking is concerned. This will definitely not be a problem on Sundays, and may poskim hold it is always bottel. There is no milk of cholov akkum sold in Israel.
The rabbanut are very machmir about Orla. It is very difficult to find Orla produce in any "organised" outlets in Israel. This means that almost all Orla fruit gets exported. Take note here when purchasing Israeli fruit in chutz looretz!
Tuna is highly unlikely to be a problem. I don't think there is any non mehadrin tuna sold in Israel, and even if there were, it would be very difficult to make out a serious case for it having real kashrus problems other than not paying the right guys.

Chummus and techina MAY not be mehadrin, likewise baked goods.

Ploni3 · « **Reply #672 on:** February 04, 2018, 12:32:34 PM »

Check out the box for the baked goods if they allow you (and sometimes you can even see it while peaking into the back, at the side.) I usually find that it is bedatz - but haven't been there for a few months so you need to check.

shmooz · « **Reply #673 on:** February 11, 2018, 12:47:25 PM »

Anything in SFO?

G11600 · « **Reply #674 on:** February 27, 2018, 02:14:56 PM »

Update re BA in Heathrow - in Gallaries (business class lounge) in T5 they now have leek and potato soup + vegetarian salami panini, served hot. Really tasty (but Hamotzie).
I got the same in all 3 lounges.

Re Flagship lounges in JFK and MIA - no kosher food yet (apart from ZTB pastries and breads in Miami) as of this week.

chaim0m · « **Reply #675 on:** February 27, 2018, 03:12:33 PM »

There is very little that can go wrong with plain bread (just chala pretty much) keep in mind that in many places permitting appropriate legislation people buy bread from goyim with no supervision at all. (This is minhag Ashkenaz for many years discussed in the Mordechai).

aygart · « **Reply #676 on:** February 27, 2018, 03:24:13 PM »

Quote from: chaim0m on February 27, 2018, 03:12:33 PM

There is very little that can go wrong with plain bread (just chala pretty much) keep in mind that in many places permitting appropriate legislation people buy bread from goyim with no supervision at all. (This is minhag Ashkenaz for many years discussed in the Mordechai).

Things are very different now than in the times of the Mordechai. This is discussed in poskim. Bread can have all sorts of ingredients which they did not use then. Release agents are used which were not used then. There are breads which may have shared equipment with the plain breads etc.

Dan · « **Reply #677 on:** February 27, 2018, 03:28:58 PM »

Quote from: aygart on February 27, 2018, 03:24:13 PM

Things are very different now than in the times of the Mordechai. This is discussed in poskim. Bread can have all sorts of ingredients which they did not use then. Release agents are used which were not used then. There are breads which may have shared equipment with the plain breads etc.

So what's the halacha with the ZTB bread found in AA's MIA lounge?

aygart · « **Reply #678 on:** February 27, 2018, 03:32:32 PM »

Quote from: Dan on February 27, 2018, 03:28:58 PM

So what's the halacha with the ZTB bread found in AA's MIA lounge?

How are you able to ensure that they are really ZTB?

Dan · « **Reply #679 on:** February 27, 2018, 03:34:17 PM »

Quote from: aygart on February 27, 2018, 03:32:32 PM

How are you able to ensure that they are really ZTB?

Not sure, I haven't been there yet.
Question is how high of an assurance level is required for bread? If you see it come out of an unsealed ZTB box is that good enough?

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