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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2019, 02:12:39 AM »
I can think of a classmate of mine whoís family made Aliyah with relatively older kids and a relative who did so as well. They stand out from my classmates and relatives who did not make Aliyah in that each have multiple kids who no longer keep shabbos ( one was actually yored to Florida). Admittedly anecdotal but consistent with what I have heard from many people; making the move with kids older than infants is a risk.
I suspect that the type of people that make aliyah are the type of people that regardless have a higher risk of kids going off.
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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2019, 07:02:09 AM »
Job

And security. (Though currently the USA is starting to feel almost as unsafe as Israel. But if course it's not even comparable..)

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2019, 07:44:15 AM »
Job

And security. (Though currently the USA is starting to feel almost as unsafe as Israel. But if course it's not even comparable..)

you feel less safe there?

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2019, 07:47:20 AM »
You are making it sound like everyone should naturally want to live there, and a reason for not doing so should be given. I would ask "why should or would I move there" first.

Its actually sad that you should ask this. Unless there is something about Chabad shitos that I am unaware of.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2019, 07:49:53 AM »
The racist attitude against Chareidim (even highly educated and competent ones) in the Israeli business world.


Other than that thereís no better place to live.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2019, 07:55:32 AM »
Its actually sad that you should ask this. Unless there is something about Chabad shitos that I am unaware of.

Your comment is even sadder. We are in the 9 days, and we must remember that we are now in Golus. We sinned and were kicked out of Israel. If we do Mitzvos and Tshuva then Moshiach will come and we will all go back. Until then, Israel is also just a Golus (a very scary one indeed, religion-wise).

So the question is: Whatís the benefit of replacing Golus USA with Golus Israel?


Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ainít no Golus anymore...

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2019, 08:01:43 AM »
Your comment is even sadder. We are in the 9 days, and we must remember that we are now in Golus. We sinned and were kicked out of Israel. If we do Mitzvos and Tshuva then Moshiach will come and we will all go back. Until then, Israel is also just a Golus (a very scary one indeed, religion-wise).

So the question is: Whatís the benefit of replacing Golus USA with Golus Israel?


Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ainít no Golus anymore...

Ok. so 1st things 1st. did you know you can do more Mitzvos in eretz yisroel?

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2019, 08:16:07 AM »
Ok. so 1st things 1st. did you know you can do more Mitzvos in eretz yisroel?

Yes of course. And in ChuĒl there are different mitzvos to. Please point me out one source which says itís a Mitzvah to impose the Mitzvos Hatluyos BaíAretz on yourself. There are none.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2019, 08:29:14 AM »

Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ainít no Golus anymore...

Who said anything about Golus. I think you are brainwashed into fear of being put into the Zionist camp.

Yes of course. And in ChuĒl there are different mitzvos to. Please point me out one source which says itís a Mitzvah to impose the Mitzvos Hatluyos BaíAretz on yourself. There are none.

How many Mitzvos in Chu"l are there in comparison to E"Y?

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2019, 08:32:03 AM »
Who said anything about Golus. I think you are brainwashed into fear of being put into the Zionist camp.

How many Mitzvos in Chu"l are there in comparison to E"Y?

Isn't there a general mitzvah of living in e"y?

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2019, 08:34:00 AM »
The Chofetz Chaim, the Gra many of our gedolim in the past have tried to make the move to EY.

For whatever reason they were unable to but they wanted to be there.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2019, 08:42:24 AM »
Ok. so 1st things 1st. did you know you can do more Mitzvos in eretz yisroel?

So if that's "1st things 1st" why wasn't that your initial response to my inquiry?
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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2019, 08:43:22 AM »
Isn't there a general mitzvah of living in e"y?

AFAIK according to most Halachic authorities there is no such mitzvah.
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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2019, 09:08:11 AM »
I have read with great interest many post complaining about this Israeli hotel or that Israeli problem with kashrut or issues with Judaism in Israel.  I would be interested in knowing your one main reason for not living in Israel.  If you made aliyah, the main reason why.
Just so you know, I came nine years ago with three teenagers, no job and no housing so I have heard most of the excuses.
Best move I ever made for my family and I!  I am  interested in why you are all not here helping to shape the country instead of complaining about it.

Lets not turn this into another halachic discussion, got plenty of those here and just about everywhere.

Lets talk tachlus. You said you came with no job or house, mind sharing how you managed to pull it off given those circumstances?
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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2019, 09:11:12 AM »
So if that's "1st things 1st" why wasn't that your initial response to my inquiry?

I see @CountValentine has started to change your posting style.