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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2019, 07:55:32 AM »
Its actually sad that you should ask this. Unless there is something about Chabad shitos that I am unaware of.

Your comment is even sadder. We are in the 9 days, and we must remember that we are now in Golus. We sinned and were kicked out of Israel. If we do Mitzvos and Tshuva then Moshiach will come and we will all go back. Until then, Israel is also just a Golus (a very scary one indeed, religion-wise).

So the question is: What’s the benefit of replacing Golus USA with Golus Israel?


Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ain’t no Golus anymore...

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2019, 08:01:43 AM »
Your comment is even sadder. We are in the 9 days, and we must remember that we are now in Golus. We sinned and were kicked out of Israel. If we do Mitzvos and Tshuva then Moshiach will come and we will all go back. Until then, Israel is also just a Golus (a very scary one indeed, religion-wise).

So the question is: What’s the benefit of replacing Golus USA with Golus Israel?


Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ain’t no Golus anymore...

Ok. so 1st things 1st. did you know you can do more Mitzvos in eretz yisroel?

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2019, 08:16:07 AM »
Ok. so 1st things 1st. did you know you can do more Mitzvos in eretz yisroel?

Yes of course. And in Chu”l there are different mitzvos to. Please point me out one source which says it’s a Mitzvah to impose the Mitzvos Hatluyos Ba’Aretz on yourself. There are none.

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2019, 08:29:14 AM »

Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ain’t no Golus anymore...

Who said anything about Golus. I think you are brainwashed into fear of being put into the Zionist camp.

Yes of course. And in Chu”l there are different mitzvos to. Please point me out one source which says it’s a Mitzvah to impose the Mitzvos Hatluyos Ba’Aretz on yourself. There are none.

How many Mitzvos in Chu"l are there in comparison to E"Y?

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2019, 08:32:03 AM »
Who said anything about Golus. I think you are brainwashed into fear of being put into the Zionist camp.

How many Mitzvos in Chu"l are there in comparison to E"Y?

Isn't there a general mitzvah of living in e"y?

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2019, 08:34:00 AM »
The Chofetz Chaim, the Gra many of our gedolim in the past have tried to make the move to EY.

For whatever reason they were unable to but they wanted to be there.

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2019, 08:42:24 AM »
Ok. so 1st things 1st. did you know you can do more Mitzvos in eretz yisroel?

So if that's "1st things 1st" why wasn't that your initial response to my inquiry?
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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2019, 08:43:22 AM »
Isn't there a general mitzvah of living in e"y?

AFAIK according to most Halachic authorities there is no such mitzvah.
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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2019, 09:08:11 AM »
I have read with great interest many post complaining about this Israeli hotel or that Israeli problem with kashrut or issues with Judaism in Israel.  I would be interested in knowing your one main reason for not living in Israel.  If you made aliyah, the main reason why.
Just so you know, I came nine years ago with three teenagers, no job and no housing so I have heard most of the excuses.
Best move I ever made for my family and I!  I am  interested in why you are all not here helping to shape the country instead of complaining about it.

Lets not turn this into another halachic discussion, got plenty of those here and just about everywhere.

Lets talk tachlus. You said you came with no job or house, mind sharing how you managed to pull it off given those circumstances?
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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2019, 09:11:12 AM »
So if that's "1st things 1st" why wasn't that your initial response to my inquiry?

I see @CountValentine has started to change your posting style.

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2019, 09:13:00 AM »
I see @CountValentine has started to change your posting style.
Even if this is in JS I am just observing. You don't want to drag me into this one.  :)
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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2019, 09:19:04 AM »
Too late. Too comfortable with the American way of life. I think that’s a fair reason.

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2019, 09:51:08 AM »
I can think of a classmate of mine who’s family made Aliyah with relatively older kids and a relative who did so as well. They stand out from my classmates and relatives who did not make Aliyah in that each have multiple kids who no longer keep shabbos ( one was actually yored to Florida). Admittedly anecdotal but consistent with what I have heard from many people; making the move with kids older than infants is a risk.
thats because a move with older kids is hard, regardless of the destination
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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2019, 10:03:59 AM »
When I left yeshiva in Israel 20+ years ago, my thought was that I'll be back soon. Then I met this girl who had no desire and no interest. It didn't help that not only did she not do a gap year in seminary, but also several of her family members who went to EY from the FSU (where she was born) ultimately came to the US because they were unhappy in EY.

Now that I am older with older kids (who at the moment have no desire) the only likely way I make Aliyah is if one or more of them does it.

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2019, 10:11:17 AM »
https://mishpacha.com/a-response-to-too-far-from-home/

Wow - reading this in the nine days, I can't help but think that this is the epitome of sinnas chinum. Not living in the Charedi world, I never began to consider the schooling issues raised in this article, and/or the shidduch issue as well.

Couple that with the way that the Charedim are viewed by secular and some in the Dati Leumi community, It's not hard to imagine why Charedi jews don't want to make aliyah.

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2019, 10:19:06 AM »
I have read with great interest many post complaining about this Israeli hotel or that Israeli problem with kashrut or issues with Judaism in Israel.  I would be interested in knowing your one main reason for not living in Israel.  If you made aliyah, the main reason why.
Just so you know, I came nine years ago with three teenagers, no job and no housing so I have heard most of the excuses.
Best move I ever made for my family and I!  I am  interested in why you are all not here helping to shape the country instead of complaining about it.
Out of curiosity, prior to you moving, did you have a good job in the US? 

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2019, 10:19:35 AM »
Your comment is even sadder. We are in the 9 days, and we must remember that we are now in Golus. We sinned and were kicked out of Israel. If we do Mitzvos and Tshuva then Moshiach will come and we will all go back. Until then, Israel is also just a Golus (a very scary one indeed, religion-wise).

So the question is: What’s the benefit of replacing Golus USA with Golus Israel?


Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ain’t no Golus anymore...
This is ridiculous. The list of Gedolim who tried to live in Eretz Yisrael throughout galus is very long.

It's a mitzva according to most poskim.

Even after 1948, almost all Gedolim still encouraged people to live there (all things being equal).

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2019, 10:27:49 AM »
thats because a move with older kids is hard, regardless of the destination

It’s hard when you move them to a new place where they speak the language and understand the culture. Compound that with an environment where the language and culture is foreign, and when they do eventually adapt the kids are inevitably going to look down on their parents to some degree as the immigrants who speak a broken accented ivrit (think American kids of Russian immigrants) and the risk is that much greater.

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Re: Why I don’t live in Israel yet
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2019, 11:08:05 AM »
Wow - reading this in the nine days, I can't help but think that this is the epitome of sinnas chinum. Not living in the Charedi world, I never began to consider the schooling issues raised in this article, and/or the shidduch issue as well.

Couple that with the way that the Charedim are viewed by secular and some in the Dati Leumi community, It's not hard to imagine why Charedi jews don't want to make aliyah.
That's sinas chinam? To me it seems like that's a very valid reason.
What I'm surprised is that I thought eretz Yisroel had the most diverse crowd of Jewish people. I imagined people would find their community
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