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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2019, 09:13:00 AM »
I see @CountValentine has started to change your posting style.
Even if this is in JS I am just observing. You don't want to drag me into this one.  :)
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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2019, 09:19:04 AM »
Too late. Too comfortable with the American way of life. I think thatís a fair reason.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2019, 09:51:08 AM »
I can think of a classmate of mine whoís family made Aliyah with relatively older kids and a relative who did so as well. They stand out from my classmates and relatives who did not make Aliyah in that each have multiple kids who no longer keep shabbos ( one was actually yored to Florida). Admittedly anecdotal but consistent with what I have heard from many people; making the move with kids older than infants is a risk.
thats because a move with older kids is hard, regardless of the destination

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2019, 10:03:59 AM »
When I left yeshiva in Israel 20+ years ago, my thought was that I'll be back soon. Then I met this girl who had no desire and no interest. It didn't help that not only did she not do a gap year in seminary, but also several of her family members who went to EY from the FSU (where she was born) ultimately came to the US because they were unhappy in EY.

Now that I am older with older kids (who at the moment have no desire) the only likely way I make Aliyah is if one or more of them does it.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2019, 10:11:17 AM »
https://mishpacha.com/a-response-to-too-far-from-home/

Wow - reading this in the nine days, I can't help but think that this is the epitome of sinnas chinum. Not living in the Charedi world, I never began to consider the schooling issues raised in this article, and/or the shidduch issue as well.

Couple that with the way that the Charedim are viewed by secular and some in the Dati Leumi community, It's not hard to imagine why Charedi jews don't want to make aliyah.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2019, 10:19:06 AM »
I have read with great interest many post complaining about this Israeli hotel or that Israeli problem with kashrut or issues with Judaism in Israel.  I would be interested in knowing your one main reason for not living in Israel.  If you made aliyah, the main reason why.
Just so you know, I came nine years ago with three teenagers, no job and no housing so I have heard most of the excuses.
Best move I ever made for my family and I!  I am  interested in why you are all not here helping to shape the country instead of complaining about it.
Out of curiosity, prior to you moving, did you have a good job in the US? 

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2019, 10:19:35 AM »
Your comment is even sadder. We are in the 9 days, and we must remember that we are now in Golus. We sinned and were kicked out of Israel. If we do Mitzvos and Tshuva then Moshiach will come and we will all go back. Until then, Israel is also just a Golus (a very scary one indeed, religion-wise).

So the question is: Whatís the benefit of replacing Golus USA with Golus Israel?


Yet the Zionists did a great job brainwashing people that Israel just ainít no Golus anymore...
This is ridiculous. The list of Gedolim who tried to live in Eretz Yisrael throughout galus is very long.

It's a mitzva according to most poskim.

Even after 1948, almost all Gedolim still encouraged people to live there (all things being equal).

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2019, 10:27:49 AM »
thats because a move with older kids is hard, regardless of the destination

Itís hard when you move them to a new place where they speak the language and understand the culture. Compound that with an environment where the language and culture is foreign, and when they do eventually adapt the kids are inevitably going to look down on their parents to some degree as the immigrants who speak a broken accented ivrit (think American kids of Russian immigrants) and the risk is that much greater.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2019, 11:08:05 AM »
Wow - reading this in the nine days, I can't help but think that this is the epitome of sinnas chinum. Not living in the Charedi world, I never began to consider the schooling issues raised in this article, and/or the shidduch issue as well.

Couple that with the way that the Charedim are viewed by secular and some in the Dati Leumi community, It's not hard to imagine why Charedi jews don't want to make aliyah.
That's sinas chinam? To me it seems like that's a very valid reason.
What I'm surprised is that I thought eretz Yisroel had the most diverse crowd of Jewish people. I imagined people would find their community
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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2019, 11:46:31 AM »
That's sinas chinam? To me it seems like that's a very valid reason.
What I'm surprised is that I thought eretz Yisroel had the most diverse crowd of Jewish people. I imagined people would find their community

I am talking about the attitudes described by the author of the letter as to his reasons for not making aliyah.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2019, 11:52:23 AM »
Too far from my in-laws
Too close to my in-laws

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2019, 11:56:45 AM »
I am talking about the attitudes described by the author of the letter as to his reasons for not making aliyah.
So am I.
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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2019, 12:22:53 PM »
Many interesting responses  and valid specific questions for me.  I did have an excellent six figure job, pension option, great health care, nice house in a beach community so I  certainly was not fleeing or leaving because I had nothing to lose.  Sold or got rid of all material things, house, cars, furniture etc.  No lift, only two suitcases/ boxes per person.  Had small amount of savings to start. Also first year government gives new olim small monthly stipend to live. Actually had all family members stuff envelopes for a charity for additional money.  Got my foot in the door of a school as an assistant in a kindergarten for a maternity leave.   You do what you need to do. Things worked out.  First apartment taken sight unseen.  Still in apartment nine years later, turned out to be a perfect location.  No car, never really missed it.  Donít miss any of the material things we dont have.
I will answer ex gingi Ďs valid question about why someone should move here in a separate post.
I really find the responses fascinating and eye opening.

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Re: Why I donít live in Israel yet
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2019, 12:24:06 PM »
What is the definitions of mixed emotions? Your MIL driving off a cliff with your new Cadillac. Also moving to Israel (where you have no cadillac, just overcrowded public transportation)

Is it Eretz Yisroel or Israel? sigh.

As a preface I did 3 years of IDF and my parents live there I was spent my teens and ealry 20s there and developed some horrible habits during that time.

My main reasons are a little personal but...

1. Terrible pop culture
2. Yiddishkeit is so extreme in a very strange way. Very different from America.
3. Chinuch (kids going off)
4. Inconvenient/ schleppy lifestyle