PC friday question of the day.

[drosenberg88429]

Not Friday but here we go. The G-d you believe in is the not same as the G-d the next person believes in.
If you tell someone your G-d says people who engages in homosexual activities should be put to death they are going to think you are a nutcase.

Ok? We were discussing the philosophical underpinnings, not the practical ramifications.

Since we went there let me ask this. A women believes she is the owner of the fetus inside her. Do you agree?

Forget about the fetus - I do not believe the woman is the owner of even her own person. No "My body, my choice". The G-d who created her is the owner of both. Remember, Judaism outlaws suicide.

[CountValentine]

Believing you own something and owning something is not the same thing.

I agree 100%.
Believing your religion is correct is not the same as it being correct. Unfortunately everyone applies this yard stick to other religions but not their own.

[drosenberg88429]

I don't how to respond with out coming off as attacking your religion.
I will say in this country we live by man made laws. It would be impossible to live by religious laws as no two religions have the same set of laws.

Who is arguing with this? There's a reason there is a separation between religion and state. Nobody here is advocating for the US government to execute or sanction homosexuals. The US government is not here to dictate morality.

[CountValentine]

...and so how does the health of religious jews' family compare to that of those with other convictions?

Not sure what you are asking.

[skyguy918]

I don't how to respond with out coming off as attacking your religion.
I will say in this country we live by man made laws. It would be impossible to live by religious laws as no two religions have the same set of laws.

But these laws are only effectively actionable within our own country, while it's an explicitly religious country (ie not the modern state of Israel). When we're living in a country that is not our own (religiously), we have rules governing the interaction and potential clash of our religious laws and the laws of the land we live in.

[CountValentine]

Remember, Judaism outlaws suicide.

What is the penalty, capital punishment? 

[EliJelly]

What is the penalty, capital punishment? 

Lol. In the world to come

[drosenberg88429]

What is the penalty, capital punishment? 

Death is not final for religious believers. This world is a conduit and a means, not an end and final destination unto itself. Repercussions are in the afterlife. Death is not an escape.

[drosenberg88429]

Not Friday but here we go. The G-d you believe in is the not same as the G-d the next person believes in.
If you tell someone your G-d says people who engages in homosexual activities should be put to death they are going to think you are a nutcase.

Since we went there let me ask this. A women believes she is the owner of the fetus inside her. Do you agree?

Btw, to clarify: I don't think that my religious beliefs (or anyone's) should be taken into account when formulating US government policy.

My beliefs would be pertinent if a woman were to seek religious counsel regarding the religious permissibility of getting an abortion.

[yzj]

Not Friday but here we go. The G-d you believe in is the not same as the G-d the next person believes in.
If you tell someone your G-d says people who engages in homosexual activities should be put to death they are going to think you are a nutcase.

And if you tell someone that in 2021 your religion thinks the bread and wine of the Eucharist turn into the actual body and blood of J.C. they will think you need some serious medication and are a throwback to prehistoric times when people bowed to chunks of rock.

[grodnoking]

Not Friday but here we go. The G-d you believe in is the not same as the G-d the next person believes in.
If you tell someone your G-d says people who engages in homosexual activities should be put to death they are going to think you are a nutcase.

Since we went there let me ask this. A women believes she is the owner of the fetus inside her. Do you agree?

It's actually Friday according to our religion.

[CountValentine]

And if you tell someone that in 2021 your religion thinks the bread and wine of the Eucharist turn into the actual body and blood of J.C. they will think you need some serious medication and are a throwback to prehistoric times when people bowed to chunks of rock.

Thanks for proving my point.
For the record I think you are talking about Catholicism and misunderstand. They are symbolic.

[CountValentine]

It's actually Friday according to our religion.

I don't how to respond with out coming off as attacking your religion.

[yzj]

Thanks for proving my point.
For the record I think you are talking about Catholicism and misunderstand. They are symbolic.

Um, not really.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1340
“Our Catholic teaching that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus, not bread and wine, is clearly taught in the Bible and throughout the 2,000-year tradition of the Church“

That’s why other branches of Christianity call Catholics idol worshipers.

[CountValentine]

Um, not really.

You can start a good fight among Catholics on this and everything else in the bible.

That’s why other branches of Christianity call Catholics idol worshipers.

Believing Jesus Christ is the son of G-d or receiving him is not idol worshiping. That would be saying believing in G-d is idol worshiping since they are one in the same. Praying to statues is what they call idol worshiping.

SPOILER ALERT
And for the record Jesus Christ is the Jewish messiah who is prophesied in the Hebrew Bible. 

[MeirS]

My head is spinning.

I'll just have to add...
In Judaism, there's no such thing as "beyond reasonable doubt". The amount of testimony and grilling of witnesses that is involved in Jewish capital punishment, I think, is almost beyond what people can think of.
Just to put things into proportion, if a Jewish court executed someone once in seventy years, the Talmud says, they would be considered a בית דין חבלנית "a murderous court".

[AsherO]

Um, not really.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1340
“Our Catholic teaching that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus, not bread and wine, is clearly taught in the Bible and throughout the 2,000-year tradition of the Church“

That’s why other branches of Christianity call Catholics idol worshipers.

@yzj  I recommend you stay away from the Pandora’s box you’re opening. This might not be the best place for you to debate the Count’s theology with him...

[CountValentine]

@yzj  I recommend you stay away from the Pandora’s box you’re opening. This might not be the best place for you to debate the Count’s theology with him...

We need that +10k like button!!! 

[yerushabubby]

Btw, to clarify: I don't think that my religious beliefs (or anyone's) should be taken into account when formulating US government policy.

My beliefs would be pertinent if a woman were to seek religious counsel regarding the religious permissibility of getting an abortion.

They do need to be taken into account, to a certain extent.  For example, according to Jewish law, the health of the mother far outweighs that of the fetus.  The more militant "pro-life" groups would have the law forbid even abortions that would save the mother's life. 

Secular laws should not validate one person's religious beliefs over those of a different religion, but religious beliefs do need to be taken into account in order to fairly formulate laws.

[CountValentine]

Secular laws should not validate one person's religious beliefs over those of a different religion, but religious beliefs do need to be taken into account in order to fairly formulate laws.

That would be impossible. There are so many religions with different beliefs. You believe what your religion teaches you and I and others believe what our religions teach us.