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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #390 on: November 10, 2019, 12:25:58 PM »
As a rule, any parenting that is done for any reason but the good of the child is wrong.

Well stated.

From a little more of a Jewish perspective, I would say that our children (and להבדיל our money) are not ours, but rather Hashem's and were entrusted in our hands in order to do the absolute best with them and for them. We should constantly remember our fiduciary role to do the right thing in accordance with the wishes of the one whose children (and להבדיל money) were entrusted in our hands.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #391 on: November 10, 2019, 01:30:22 PM »
Well stated.

From a little more of a Jewish perspective, I would say that our children (and להבדיל our money) are not ours, but rather Hashem's and were entrusted in our hands in order to do the absolute best with them and for them. We should constantly remember our fiduciary role to do the right thing in accordance with the wishes of the one whose children (and להבדיל money) were entrusted in our hands.
While that's a very nice thought, it is totally impractical on a day to day level for almost everyone. I would even venture to say that anyone who says that they raise their kids that way is either lying or making way too many avoidable mistakes while raising said kids.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #392 on: November 10, 2019, 09:09:34 PM »
Can we get back to reality?
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #393 on: November 10, 2019, 09:43:17 PM »
Can we get back to reality?
Never left it.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #396 on: November 14, 2019, 11:41:08 PM »
jeez couldn't wait a half hour?
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #399 on: November 15, 2019, 12:49:30 PM »
https://torasavigdor.org/rav-avigdor-miller-on-how-to-deal-with-an-insolent-boy/
How is this PC? It is also dated that it came from a quote in 1995 - not sure that this was when it was actually said.

This definitely hit a chord. I probably grew up in an era where spanking started being phased out (I was in elementary school in the 80s). As the class clown and trouble maker, I was definitely hit quite a bit, starting as early as 1st grade. More so by my teachers than by my parents. Understand that spanking in schools wasn't limited to Jewish schools - many of my catholic friends have told me about their run-ins with the Ruler-wielding nuns.

This hit more of a chord, because there was one particular Rebbe who essentially followed along the lines of what R' Miller said. If you misbehaved, he'd call you up to his desk, and take out a book of tehilim (psalms) and tell you that he was reciting chapters of tehilim as a prayer that the punishment he was about to dole out was for the appropriate reasons. He'd then stand up (ask you to remove your glasses if you were wearing them) and smacked you full force across the face. Not once or twice, but at least a handful of times, sometimes more (the top 3 in the class were me and two other kids, each hit 20-25 consecutive times). He was not a small man either - he was about 6'2"-6'3" and about 220 - he wasn't fat, he was solid.

In those days, there was no ADHD, no learning disabilities, limited drugs. Kids were just lazy and slow, and if you didn't fit the square peg they tried to put you in, it was because of one of those two reasons, and they'd beat the living snot out of you until you were less lazy or a little faster. 

I'm sure that there are those of you who would argue that I was probably behaving poorly to deserve it, and that it's appropriate. But as an adult, 30+ years removed, the only thing it beat out of me was any desire to learn limudei kodesh. It took me 3 more schools to find my true love of torah. It came in my third school, not because the educators were so great, but because it was so small they had the time to answer my questions, and foster my love of learning. 


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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #400 on: November 15, 2019, 01:27:26 PM »
This hit more of a chord, because there was one particular Rebbe who essentially followed along the lines of what R' Miller said. If you misbehaved, he'd call you up to his desk, and take out a book of tehilim (psalms) and tell you that he was reciting chapters of tehilim as a prayer that the punishment he was about to dole out was for the appropriate reasons. He'd then stand up (ask you to remove your glasses if you were wearing them) and smacked you full force across the face. Not once or twice, but at least a handful of times, sometimes more (the top 3 in the class were me and two other kids, each hit 20-25 consecutive times). He was not a small man either - he was about 6'2"-6'3" and about 220 - he wasn't fat, he was solid.

This is beyond me. I can relate to the quote from R' Avigdor Miller (though I'm not sure about the number 5), but I cannot fathom why anyone would do what you have just described (other than letting out something totally unrelated to the behavior of the child being beaten).
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #401 on: November 15, 2019, 01:44:36 PM »
This is beyond me. I can relate to the quote from R' Avigdor Miller (though I'm not sure about the number 5), but I cannot fathom why anyone would do what you have just described (other than letting out something totally unrelated to the behavior of the child being beaten).

It's beyond me too, however much in the minority this level of abuse is, I know from friends at other yeshivos that this wasn't isolated. I also learned years later that shortly after our grade passed through his class, this particular rebbe came to the realization that this was wrong, and changed his teaching style.

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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #402 on: November 15, 2019, 01:50:46 PM »
To try to redirect this to a more pc topic:

What was the strangest and/or most embarrassing punishment you were ever subject to in school?

Mine: In HS, my history teacher was a catholic school teacher who taught in Yeshiva in the afternoons. He once punished me by having me stand with a 1000-page world history book in each outstretched arm, and my knees slightly bent.  While I was too naive and stupid to realize what was going on, our limudei kodesh principal happened to walk by the classroom, and realized that I looked like I was being crucified - literally.

He walked into the room, and explained to the teacher that while it was okay to punish the students who misbehaved, it was NOT okay to use that specific punishment in a Jewish school.

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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #403 on: November 15, 2019, 01:59:04 PM »
To try to redirect this to a more pc topic:

What was the strangest and/or most embarrassing punishment you were ever subject to in school?

Mine: In HS, my history teacher was a catholic school teacher who taught in Yeshiva in the afternoons. He once punished me by having me stand with a 1000-page world history book in each outstretched arm, and my knees slightly bent.  While I was too naive and stupid to realize what was going on, our limudei kodesh principal happened to walk by the classroom, and realized that I looked like I was being crucified - literally.

He walked into the room, and explained to the teacher that while it was okay to punish the students who misbehaved, it was NOT okay to use that specific punishment in a Jewish school.

You just gave another reason (not that another was needed) why learning על טהרת הקודש is the way to go.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #404 on: November 15, 2019, 02:07:59 PM »
How is this PC? It is also dated that it came from a quote in 1995 - not sure that this was when it was actually said.

This definitely hit a chord. I probably grew up in an era where spanking started being phased out (I was in elementary school in the 80s). As the class clown and trouble maker, I was definitely hit quite a bit, starting as early as 1st grade. More so by my teachers than by my parents. Understand that spanking in schools wasn't limited to Jewish schools - many of my catholic friends have told me about their run-ins with the Ruler-wielding nuns.

This hit more of a chord, because there was one particular Rebbe who essentially followed along the lines of what R' Miller said. If you misbehaved, he'd call you up to his desk, and take out a book of tehilim (psalms) and tell you that he was reciting chapters of tehilim as a prayer that the punishment he was about to dole out was for the appropriate reasons. He'd then stand up (ask you to remove your glasses if you were wearing them) and smacked you full force across the face. Not once or twice, but at least a handful of times, sometimes more (the top 3 in the class were me and two other kids, each hit 20-25 consecutive times). He was not a small man either - he was about 6'2"-6'3" and about 220 - he wasn't fat, he was solid.

In those days, there was no ADHD, no learning disabilities, limited drugs. Kids were just lazy and slow, and if you didn't fit the square peg they tried to put you in, it was because of one of those two reasons, and they'd beat the living snot out of you until you were less lazy or a little faster. 

I'm sure that there are those of you who would argue that I was probably behaving poorly to deserve it, and that it's appropriate. But as an adult, 30+ years removed, the only thing it beat out of me was any desire to learn limudei kodesh. It took me 3 more schools to find my true love of torah. It came in my third school, not because the educators were so great, but because it was so small they had the time to answer my questions, and foster my love of learning. 


Always boggles my mind when I find out how many of my friends have been hit by teachers and parents as kids.

To try to redirect this to a more pc topic:

What was the strangest and/or most embarrassing punishment you were ever subject to in school?

That's more fun.

2nd grade teacher couldn't read my answer, so he wrote it on the board and made fun of it to class, saying how could anyone ever read that, it's alien letters, etc.

Needless to say, I just didn't write answers to his test questions anymore ;)

(Worst punishment I heard was making a little kid eat a bar of soap)
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