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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #440 on: November 17, 2019, 11:49:54 AM »
I get that so we are back to the original question. How do kids that never ran into the street learned not to do that?

Obviously in a way that doesn't work for the kids that need a more traumatic experience (the purpose of the slap) in order to learn.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #441 on: November 17, 2019, 11:49:58 AM »
I get that so we are back to the original question. How do kids that never ran into the street learned not to do that?

Because we teach them not to run in the street.
Some listen. Some don’t.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #442 on: November 17, 2019, 11:56:08 AM »
Obviously in a way that doesn't work for the kids that need a more traumatic experience (the purpose of the slap) in order to learn.
Because we teach them not to run in the street.
Some listen. Some don’t.
Thank you!
So we come to the point where we inflict pain on those that don't listen with the hope that it works. We all know that it doesn't always work. What is the next step? To inflict more severe pain hoping that will work?
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #443 on: November 17, 2019, 12:13:17 PM »
Thank you!
So we come to the point where we inflict pain on those that don't listen with the hope that it works. We all know that it doesn't always work. What is the next step? To inflict more severe pain hoping that will work?

As a parent to 11 children, I can tell you that what works with one doesn't necessarily work with another. Some will just listen and follow without any additional experience or teaching needed. Some will learn from a serious talk. Some will require a "traumatic" experience. That experience can be an angry look with some, a tone of voice with others, and a slap on the wrist for others. With parental experience, it is not about escalating the "trauma" but knowing which potion works for which kid.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #444 on: November 17, 2019, 12:26:14 PM »
As a parent to 11 children, I can tell you that what works with one doesn't necessarily work with another. Some will just listen and follow without any additional experience or teaching needed. Some will learn from a serious talk. Some will require a "traumatic" experience. That experience can be an angry look with some, a tone of voice with others, and a slap on the wrist for others. With parental experience, it is not about escalating the "trauma" but knowing which potion works for which kid.
Thank you for the parenting advice but it is no longer needed.  ;)
I think you would agree what you call "traumatic" should be a last resort? So what many here call a slap on the wrist and I call hitting your child doesn't work then what?
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #445 on: November 17, 2019, 12:32:00 PM »
Thank you for the parenting advice but it is no longer needed.  ;)
You no longer have a child within you that could use some parenting?  ;)

I think you would agree what you call "traumatic" should be a last resort? So what many here call a slap on the wrist and I call hitting your child doesn't work then what?
Go back and reread what I wrote. This is not about escalation. Escalation is somewhat senseless. By the time a kid is old enough to run into the street on their own a parent would usually figure out what works for that child.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #446 on: November 17, 2019, 12:41:22 PM »
I do/did have kids and I hope you don't. My kids were never burned by a hot pot. This hot pot logic is not working for all of you.

One of my oldest managed to take a toy and hook the handle of a pot that should have been safely sitting on the back burner almost tipping it over. Thankfully the small burn he got healed fine. My other kids learned not to play with pots on the stove the easier way...

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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #447 on: November 17, 2019, 12:45:39 PM »
You no longer have a child within you that could use some parenting?  ;)
Yes but she thinks she already knows everything.
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Re: PC question of the day.
« Reply #448 on: November 17, 2019, 12:51:41 PM »
Mods, please remove “friday” from thread title.

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Re: PC question of the day.
« Reply #449 on: November 17, 2019, 12:54:42 PM »
Mods, please remove “friday” from thread title.
Lock the thread until Friday.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #450 on: November 17, 2019, 12:56:03 PM »
Mods, please remove “friday” from thread title.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #451 on: November 17, 2019, 12:56:23 PM »
I get that so we are back to the original question. How do kids that never ran into the street learned not to do that?
Or you’re asking how are some kids more disciplined then others?

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Re: PC question of the day.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #453 on: November 17, 2019, 01:03:56 PM »
I would rather lock in Thursday nights Yom Shekulo Leil Shishi

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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #454 on: November 17, 2019, 02:04:51 PM »
DDF is Yom Shekulo Erev Shabbos.
Over here it's יום שכלו פריידעי.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #455 on: November 17, 2019, 02:06:13 PM »
Can we go back to the assumption that kids think rationally? What kind of asinine assumption is that? Anyone who has taken a basic psychology class will know that this is categorically untrue. Children build the ability to think over many years in multiple stages during different age ranges. Children under 6 definitely aren't able to think about abstract consequences of their actions, that's why you give them a clear and direct consequence for doing something, ie. a slap, time out, etc.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #456 on: November 17, 2019, 02:43:09 PM »
Having observed chabad and my parents outward acceptance and open love and welcomeness to not yet frum people etc I couldn't accept the rigid strictness of Judaism of my upbringing.

My father, specifically believed that he who spares the rod doesn't love his son.

Tragic alas, being that king Solomon said a lot of things including "hakol hevel" it's all a waste.


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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #457 on: November 17, 2019, 02:47:39 PM »
I think the slap and discipline is a pavlovic type of shock therapy.

It's why a human being in general will pull back from fire and not touch it.. or the time my heater wasn't working and I put my finger in it and got such a zap etc

The problem is, it can have different reactions to different humans, my cat was never disciplined but instead became afraid of me.

My friend who tried throwing his kid in pool to teach him to swim, kid was scared of the pool for years.


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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #458 on: November 17, 2019, 06:51:13 PM »
Having observed chabad and my parents outward acceptance and open love and welcomeness to not yet frum people etc I couldn't accept the rigid strictness of Judaism of my upbringing.

My father, specifically believed that he who spares the rod doesn't love his son.

Tragic alas, being that king Solomon said a lot of things including "hakol hevel" it's all a waste.
This post is such a mess, I'm not even going to try.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #459 on: November 17, 2019, 06:56:23 PM »
I think the slap and discipline is a pavlovic type of shock therapy.

It's why a human being in general will pull back from fire and not touch it.. or the time my heater wasn't working and I put my finger in it and got such a zap etc

The problem is, it can have different reactions to different humans, my cat was never disciplined but instead became afraid of me.

My friend who tried throwing his kid in pool to teach him to swim, kid was scared of the pool for years.
You can't conflate what some idiot did to his kid with actual proper child-rearing, that's just stupid and short-sighted. And if you think that giving consequences to your kids just begets some sort of Pavlovian training to do or not do something then I think you're either an idiot or just haven't actually thought that through.
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