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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #780 on: December 29, 2019, 04:51:45 PM »
Those who call on everyone to condemn white supremacists and not the ideology behind these attacks show everyone that they don't really care about white supremacy either. All they care is about what forwards their agenda. The same goes for those who condemn the ideology behind these attacks and not white supremacy. Stat far away from both of them.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #781 on: December 29, 2019, 05:03:59 PM »
Those who call on everyone to condemn white supremacists and not the ideology behind these attacks show everyone that they don't really care about white supremacy either. All they care is about what forwards their agenda. The same goes for those who condemn the ideology behind these attacks and not white supremacy. Stat far away from both of them.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #782 on: December 29, 2019, 05:08:19 PM »
They can't separate my posts in the political thread from these.
What do you expect if you yourself cant separate.
I usually don't get the question I asked answered.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #783 on: December 29, 2019, 05:10:58 PM »
What do you expect if you yourself cant separate.
Please go away.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #784 on: December 29, 2019, 05:17:25 PM »
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #785 on: December 29, 2019, 07:18:15 PM »
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This means that when there is an incident with a WS and people call out those condemning the attack as being disingenuous because they aree only calling out one side we should not say lets only deal with this attack but we should call them out for taking advantage and using the tragedy for selfish purposes to advance their agenda when they really couldn't care less.

It also means not to be the same guy calling out anti-semites and turning a blind eye to racism. Anyone here who is calling out the ideology of these animals but not of White Supremacists shows he couldn't care less about bigotry and only cares to advance his selfish agenda.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #786 on: December 29, 2019, 08:07:25 PM »
Those who call on everyone to condemn white supremacists and not the ideology behind these attacks show everyone that they don't really care about white supremacy either. All they care is about what forwards their agenda. The same goes for those who condemn the ideology behind these attacks and not white supremacy. Stat far away from both of them.

Precisely, and as pointed out by Rabby Jacobson, it might start with the Jews, but it never ends there (and the same can be said with other forms of bigotry).

And make no mistake, while antisemitism and bigotry exist in all levels of society, I think it is mostly class envy (and/or incitement based on it) that turns those into actual violence or other repugnant actions.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #787 on: December 29, 2019, 08:09:28 PM »
This means that when there is an incident with a WS and people call out those condemning the attack as being disingenuous because they aree only calling out one side we should not say lets only deal with this attack but we should call them out for taking advantage and using the tragedy for selfish purposes to advance their agenda when they really couldn't care less.

It also means not to be the same guy calling out anti-semites and turning a blind eye to racism. Anyone here who is calling out the ideology of these animals but not of White Supremacists shows he couldn't care less about bigotry and only cares to advance his selfish agenda.
So is Stephen Miller a white supremacist? Calling someone a white supremacist and then attacking their ideology based on your labeling of them as such is just as disingenuous.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #788 on: December 29, 2019, 08:10:38 PM »
And make no mistake, while antisemitism and bigotry exist in all levels of society, I think it is mostly class envy (and/or incitement based on it) that turns those into actual violence or other repugnant actions.
I am not getting this class envy part. Racism against blacks is class envy?
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #789 on: December 29, 2019, 08:12:30 PM »
So is Stephen Miller a white supremacist?
He is a far right nutcase that many believe not only is a WS but an outright racist.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #790 on: December 29, 2019, 08:13:57 PM »
He is a far right nutcase that many believe not only is a WS but an outright racist.
And if I disagree with you then I have no leg to condemn this black racism?
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #791 on: December 29, 2019, 08:14:47 PM »
And if I disagree with you then I have no leg to condemn this black racism?
You are free to disagree.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #792 on: December 29, 2019, 08:17:04 PM »
I am not getting this class envy part. Racism against blacks is class envy?

Let me clarify what I said above: bigotry exists at all levels of society, I think that turning that bigotry into unprovoked violent attacks, is mostly a result of class envy (or some other sort of feeling that the target is getting some privilege they don't deserve).
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #793 on: December 29, 2019, 08:17:25 PM »
And if I disagree with you then I have no leg to condemn this black racism?
I agree with you that this is done all the time to people, but for the sake of your argument, do yourself a favor and pick someone else as your example.

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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #794 on: December 29, 2019, 08:21:03 PM »
Let me clarify what I said above: bigotry exists at all levels of society, I think that turning that bigotry into unprovoked violent attacks, is mostly a result of class envy (or some other sort of feeling that the target is getting some privilege they don't deserve).
Look at the history of unprovoked attacks against blacks. Is that class envy? How about unprovoked attacks against gays? I could go on and on. This isn't about class envy. If anything it is exactly the opposite.

Is your point the attacks against Jews by blacks is class envy?
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #795 on: December 29, 2019, 08:44:08 PM »
Look at the history of unprovoked attacks against blacks. Is that class envy? How about unprovoked attacks against gays? I could go on and on. This isn't about class envy. If anything it is exactly the opposite.

Is your point the attacks against Jews by blacks is class envy?

I said
Let me clarify what I said above: bigotry exists at all levels of society, I think that turning that bigotry into unprovoked violent attacks, is mostly a result of class envy (or some other sort of feeling that the target is getting some privilege they don't deserve).

I don't know what goes on in the minds of all sorts of bigots that translate their bigotry into violence, but I do know what was heard by black "leaders" prior to, during, and after the Crown Heights riots, and that perception of unfair privilege available to the Jews was often cited as justifying the riots.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #796 on: December 29, 2019, 08:51:43 PM »
I said
I don't know what goes on in the minds of all sorts of bigots that translate their bigotry into violence, but I do know what was heard by black "leaders" prior to, during, and after the Crown Heights riots, and that perception of unfair privilege available to the Jews was often cited as justifying the riots.
I know what you said.  :)
For what is going on in Crown Heights I probably agree with you. Now all the other racism is not class envy. It is just the opposite as they think they are better.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #797 on: December 29, 2019, 08:58:33 PM »
I know what you said.  :)
For what is going on in Crown Heights I probably agree with you. Now all the other racism is not class envy. It is just the opposite as they think they are better.

So thinking they are better is the opposite of thinking their target is getting an undeserved privilege?

FTR, the Nazis thought they were better and superior than Jews, blacks or Slavic nations. IINM they targeted them under the pretense of them consuming that which the Arians deserve.
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #798 on: December 29, 2019, 09:04:44 PM »
So thinking they are better is the opposite of thinking their target is getting an undeserved privilege?
Not opposite just not the same.
ETA: I know the point you are making I hope you see mine.  :)
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Re: PC friday question of the day.
« Reply #799 on: December 29, 2019, 09:13:16 PM »
Not opposite just not the same.
ETA: I know the point you are making I hope you see mine.  :)

I hear your point.

Here's a question: have you ever been a target of bigotry? If yes, what do you think/know/believe about the thinking/motivation of the bigot?

I can tell you that besides being part of a community that experiences bigotry against it, I have also been personally subject to it. I can also tell you that there were other times that I was a victim of something that others might have labeled as hate crimes, but I don't (though I am not denying that a hateful atmosphere and rhetoric heard by the perpetrators in the past might have indirectly influenced the crime committed).
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