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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2019, 03:08:16 PM »

You do have to realize that giving tzedaka also entails preserving the dignity of the receiver and so while Im definitely not saying to have the fanciest shmanciest wedding, I dont believe a wedding looking like a sheva brachos preserves that dignity for most people. In other words, you can have a wedding nicer than a sheva brachos and still be considered financially responsible.
100%. I was talking about in general for the future. This is a crutch that doesn't help.
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2019, 03:09:44 PM »
Why would anyone disagree. I think it's a wonderful concept. Allows giving (and receiving) Tzedaka in a dignified yet controlled way. I think it would be great if it could be expanded to encompass all communities in true achdus, rather than each community having its own fund.
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2019, 03:10:49 PM »
Is no one going to ask why don't people start cutting back on spending on simchos rather than collecting to keep the current standards?

Your preaching to the choir, just like this
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2019, 03:22:09 PM »
To me financially responsible is for a wedding to look like a Sheva brachos/vort.

Yes it's extreme for today, but I think it's best that way.
That the next problem... Have you seen some of the Sheva brachos/vorts lately?
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2019, 03:31:04 PM »
Is no one going to ask why don't people start cutting back on spending on simchos rather than collecting to keep the current standards?
i think thats a given. thats a problem thats been around for thousands of years, in ways more ludicrous than weddings. The reason we use plain wooden coffins today is because people overspent on lavish ones. That being said, dont detract from the fact that people really cant afford a basic simcha. So lowering the costs still wont fix the issue.

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2019, 05:43:22 PM »
That being said, dont detract from the fact that people really cant afford a basic simcha. So lowering the costs still wont fix the issue.
If a wedding was no more than a nice seuda, without everything else, a lot more people would be able to afford it.

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2019, 05:59:41 PM »
If a wedding was no more than a nice seuda, without everything else, a lot more people would be able to afford it.

There are more costs to the wedding beyond the public events (vort, wedding, sheva brochos, etc.).

Gifts (not extravagant, but basic Seforim, clothing, jewelry, shaitel, etc.), and basic housing expenses (furniture, appliances and dishes, etc., as well as help with housing expenses depending on local custom).

Those things add up.
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2019, 06:12:27 PM »
There are more costs to the wedding beyond the public events (vort, wedding, sheva brochos, etc.).

Gifts (not extravagant, but basic Seforim, clothing, jewelry, shaitel, etc.), and basic housing expenses (furniture, appliances and dishes, etc., as well as help with housing expenses depending on local custom).

Those things add up.
If you would eliminate the hall, music, photographer, flowers, caterer.... a lot more people would be able to afford it. Not everyone.

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2019, 07:51:19 PM »
If you would eliminate the hall, music, photographer, flowers, caterer.... a lot more people would be able to afford it. Not everyone.
where do u plan on having them? In the backyard? I’m pretty sure most people would agree that its a basic dignified thing to have it in a hall

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2019, 07:52:45 PM »
If a wedding was no more than a nice seuda, without everything else, a lot more people would be able to afford it.
a wedding is supposed to be more than just a sueda. It’s a time to dance and be misameach the chossen and kallah

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2019, 08:08:18 PM »
where do u plan on having them? In the backyard? I’m pretty sure most people would agree that its a basic dignified thing to have it in a hall
In any of the halls used for sheva brachos/vorts...
a wedding is supposed to be more than just a sueda. It’s a time to dance and be misameach the chossen and kallah
No reason why that needs to be with the seuda.

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2019, 09:49:33 AM »
In any of the halls used for sheva brachos/vorts...No reason why that needs to be with the seuda.
Takanah halls took care of the issue of weddings being too expensive, they brought the price down to bare minimum while keep the dignity of the baalei simcha.
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2019, 10:55:54 AM »
Takanah halls took care of the issue of weddings being too expensive, they brought the price down to bare minimum while keep the dignity of the baalei simcha.

Not only that, I would venture to say takanah halls have saved lives by cutting the stress to a fraction of what it would be otherwise.

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2019, 11:31:07 AM »
If you would eliminate the hall, music, photographer, flowers, caterer.... a lot more people would be able to afford it. Not everyone.

Afford what? You just eliminated the whole thing...

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2019, 11:35:11 AM »
Afford what? You just eliminated the whole thing...
lol. Yeah why have anything more than giving over the ring in front of two witnesses at the city hall with brachos. Ive seen people get married there.

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2019, 11:43:11 AM »
If you would eliminate the 10k a night hall, Band/singer music, photography crew/pictures, flowers, caterer that charges more than a sheva brachos pp.... a lot more people would be able to afford it. Not everyone.
Afford what? You just eliminated the whole thing...
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2019, 11:45:28 AM »
i think both sides of the argument are being hyperbolic but there is definitely a midpoint that would actually work.

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2019, 06:07:11 AM »
Wow this hasn't been thrown to js yet
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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2020, 08:55:05 PM »
where do u plan on having them? In the backyard? I’m pretty sure most people would agree that its a basic dignified thing to have it in a hall

Bringing this back :) - who would of thought backyard simchas would be a thing now.

Question: Whats the chances the early COVID commitments of less extravagant simchas will stick?

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Re: A Simple Tzedaka Fund Idea
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2020, 11:45:06 PM »
Bringing this back :) - who would of thought backyard simchas would be a thing now.

Question: Whats the chances the early COVID commitments of less extravagant simchas will stick?
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