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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2019, 02:11:39 PM »
No but this kills two birds with one stone, no pun intended.

They are allowed to come.
Trump tweets Israel would be weak to allow them in.
They are not allowed in.
Just the facts, JACK!  :)
Just 1 little FACT you forgot to mention. Let me FTFY
Trump doesn’t want Israel should let them visit
They are allowed to come.
Trump tweets Israel would be weak to allow them in.
They are not allowed in.

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2019, 02:14:23 PM »
Just 1 little FACT you forgot to mention. Let me FTFY
Didn't forget, didn't know. Link please?
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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2019, 02:14:28 PM »
enlighten me how is Bds a us political fight?
I brought it up already, seems like he's ignoring it.
This is wrong. These aren't people who just believe in free healthcare, these are people who believe Israel has no right to exist, and preach that consistently. They aren't getting involved in the US political fight,  they are fighting their own battle.
So say the US sorted out it's differences with Iran, and they become close allies, and there are 2 elected officials in Iran who still chant "death to America", you believe it's in the US's best interests to allow them in here?

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2019, 02:42:22 PM »
They just said last week they would be allowed in.

Bibi's statement explaining what changed from last week.

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu:
No country in the world respects America and the American Congress more than the State of Israel.

As a free and vibrant democracy, Israel is open to critics and criticism

with one exception: Israeli law prohibits the entry into Israel of those who call for and work to impose boycotts on Israel, as do other democracies that prohibit the entry of people who seek to harm the country.

In fact, in the past the US did this to an Israeli member of Knesset, as well as to other public figures from around the world.

Congresswomen Tlaib and Omar are leading activists in promoting the legislation of boycotts against Israel in the American Congress.

Only a few days ago, we received their itinerary for their visit in Israel, which revealed that they planned a visit whose sole objective is to strengthen the boycott against us and deny Israel's legitimacy.

For instance: they listed the destination of their trip as Palestine and not Israel, and unlike all Democratic and Republican members of Congress who have visited Israel, they did not request to meet any Israeli officials, either from the government or the opposition.

A week ago, Israel warmly welcomed some 70 Democratic and Republican members of Congress, who expressed broad bipartisan support for Israel, which was also demonstrated a month ago in a resounding bipartisan vote against BDS in Congress.

However, the itinerary of the two Congresswomen reveals that the sole purpose of their visit is to harm Israel and increase incitement against it.

In addition, the organization that is funding their trip is Miftah, which is an avid supporter of BDS, and among whose members are those who have expressed support for terrorism against Israel.


Therefore, the minister of interior has decided not to allow their visit, and I, as prime minister, support his decision.

Nonetheless, if Congresswoman Tlaib submits a humanitarian request to visit her relatives, the minister of interior has announced that he will consider her request on the condition that she pledges not to act to promote boycotts against Israel during her visit.

They did cave and it was to Trump.
It's ridiculous to believe that this decision was made on the spot after Trump's tweet. It's more likely that Trump was told that they were going to ban them and tweeted so that he could take credit.

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2019, 02:42:55 PM »
Didn't forget, didn't know. Link please?
This is from Saturday (I saw it elsewhere)
https://www.axios.com/trump-tells-advisers-israel-should-bar-entry-omar-tlaib-a5a1977b-9862-420c-bf01-fa1936b0eec4.html
So they ignore his arm-twisting but cave to a tweet.  ::)

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2019, 02:45:41 PM »
Schumer nailed it this time: "Denying entry to members of the United States Congress is a sign of weakness, not strength. It will only hurt the U.S.-Israel relationship and support for Israel in America."
i'll just leave this here

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2019, 03:02:10 PM »
i'll just leave this here
What does our internal politics have to do with anything?
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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2019, 03:14:29 PM »
Amazing how people still fall for whatever the media feeds them. This trip had nothing to do with “visiting Israel”. It was all & only about offering help & support to the Israel-hating groups. And spreading their harmful propaganda while there.

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2019, 03:32:20 PM »
Amazing how people still fall for whatever the media feeds them.
We sure agree on that one. Now you are finally understanding the Kool-Aid.  :)
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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2019, 03:39:30 PM »
We sure agree on that one.
Glad to see you agree with President Trump’s war on the fake media :)

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2019, 03:47:06 PM »
Glad to see you agree with President Trump’s war on the fake media :)
I didn't say that. As the Mueller report confirmed the media was probably 95%+ correct on their Trump stories. The fake media is the KAC alternative facts the WH and Trump put out.
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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2019, 04:09:32 PM »
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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2019, 04:11:51 PM »
i'll just leave this here

Didnt the Mayor of London say Trump was not invited? I have to imagine if that Anti-semite Corbyn gets elected Trump would be Persona non grata.

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2019, 04:21:00 PM »
@CountValentine

1) They skipped the bipartisan trip a couple weeks ago to Israel which met with groups on both sides.
2) They support BDS, which denies Israel's right to exist
3) Israel allows for dissent, but not BDS, for obvious reasons. Israel was considering *waiving* this law to let them in.
4) Their itinerary is for a trip to "Palestine" - not Israel.
5) The sponsor of the trip is a group that denies Israel's right to exist and is dangerously anti semitic:
6) Their itinerary includes visits with groups linked to terrorists
7) They did not have any Israeli representation scheduled on their trip.
8) Other countries have denied entry to lawmakers from other countries (allies even).
9) The United States has denied entry to a member of the Knesset.
10) Obama encouraged the UK to deny entry to lawmakers from other countries.
11) The itinerary was posted only a couple days ago, long after Israel had stated they would be allowed in.
12) Tlaib is allowed to reapply for a family visit, just not a political one.

This is just a partial list, there is more to be said. However even with all of this, I still think Israel made the wrong decision. But to think it is such a clear cut choice, that they are just sucking up to Trump, or that it is unprecedented to treat an ally's lawmakers like this is just false.

As for the fake news, how many news stories will frame this decision with *any* of the above context?
How many are stating that "Israel has something to hide" when they allow thousands of dissenters through their borders and Israel has the most dissenting population you can imagine?
How many are invoking the term "Muslim ban" when their religion had nothing to do with the decision and 1,500,000 Muslims live peacefully in Israel?
How many reporters are asking Tlaib and Omar about the trip sponsors, the itinerary or the fact that BDS denies Israel's right to exist?

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Re: Israel banning Tlaib and Omar!
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2019, 04:25:03 PM »
As the Mueller report confirmed
Please don’t bring that crap into this thread.