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Author Topic: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.  (Read 38947 times)

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #435 on: January 02, 2020, 09:38:08 AM »
I thihk the siyum and dancing were amazing and really beautiful. For those who have been following my posts here, you'll know that I'm modern Orthodox. While I would have preferred certain things be more diverse (such as Rav Hershel Schechter speaking in person rather than only on a video clip), an acknowledgment of women beyond in relation to their husband's, etc, I thihk this siyum was far better executed than the one 7. 5 years ago (I was there, on the field). The siyum had highlights that spoke to everyone, and maybe in 7.5 years, the Agudah will focus more on the highlights (unity, dancing, Simchas HaTorah) and the next one will be even better.

I'm surprised to see critiques of the  music and the crowd, because I think anyone there felt a mincha that you wouldn't beleive (silent 75% full stadium), ruach, and such Simcha.
What about singing Hatikva? Women speakers?
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #436 on: January 02, 2020, 09:38:21 AM »
Yoel gold should speak for 20 min ? Your out of your mind. He clearly makes up story after story.

i'm sorry you feel that way. What did he say that offended you?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #437 on: January 02, 2020, 09:40:25 AM »
i dont understand why they dont do like chabad. A guy from the largest daily shuir, from the most remote shuir, the longest running shuir etc. instead it was just to prop up the aguduh agenda and not much about the siyum at all...
They highlighted a child with cancer and a guy with ALS (I left after dancing, heard there was one more), plus the videos.

I agree though that the 3 dovrei pesicha and the 2 keynote addresses was a bit over the top. Not to mention that they probably could have streamlined the siyum mishnayos into the main siyum.


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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #438 on: January 02, 2020, 09:41:25 AM »
Still can't get over the fact that the אנגעפאשעטע aguda people didn't even think of looking to get a sponsor for a bottle of water and a danish in the bag with their thick magazines.

ברוך אתה ה' שלא עשני ליטוואק.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #439 on: January 02, 2020, 09:44:59 AM »
What about singing Hatikva? Women speakers?
There's what I would do vs. What it's realistic to except at a charedi event. I had no issue with no women speakers or zionism. But thdy could have just spoken to all learners regardless of gender as opposed to repeatedly singling out the wives, when many of the women there were teens/students or women who learn in their own right.

Also a Rav who happens to be the Rav of a young Israel or Rosh Yeshiva at YU certainly is on the level to speak. If Jay Schottenstein is honored to say Kaddish, surely Rav Schechter or the like should be invited to speak.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #440 on: January 02, 2020, 09:46:19 AM »
Still can't get over the fact that the אנגעפאשעטע aguda people didn't even think of looking to get a sponsor for a bottle of water and a danish in the bag with their thick magazines.

ברוך אתה ה' שלא עשני ליטוואק.
They did have free hot water. So fill a cup and wait 5 minutes in the cold.

Handing out bottled water may have been against the agreement with metlife and the concession that has a monopoly on selling food.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #441 on: January 02, 2020, 09:46:26 AM »
They highlighted a child with cancer and a guy with ALS (I left after dancing, heard there was one more), plus the videos.

I agree though that the 3 dovrei pesicha and the 2 keynote addresses was a bit over the top. Not to mention that they probably could have streamlined the siyum mishnayos into the main siyum.

from what i understand they intentionally added those in before so the stadium would be at full capacity for the actual siyum. Not that i was happy with that arrangement, as i found the first couple hours incredibly boring, just pointing out their rational . (i also left after the dancing because it was so shlepped out).

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #442 on: January 02, 2020, 09:49:23 AM »
There's what I would do vs. What it's realistic to except at a charedi event. I had no issue with no women speakers or zionism. But thdy could have just spoken to all learners regardless of gender as opposed to repeatedly singling out the wives, when many of the women there were teens/students or women who learn in their own right.

Also a Rav who happens to be the Rav of a young Israel or Rosh Yeshiva at YU certainly is on the level to speak. If Jay Schottenstein is honored to say Kaddish, surely Rav Schechter or the like should be invited to speak.

There was no concern that Mr Schottenstein was going to ad-lib kaddish. There was concern about what Rav Schechter Shlita would say that might upset the more chareidi public.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #443 on: January 02, 2020, 09:49:54 AM »


There's what I would do vs. What it's realistic to except at a charedi event
You are having a difficult time seeing where to draw that line.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #444 on: January 02, 2020, 09:51:25 AM »
There was no concern that Mr Schottenstein was going to ad-lib kaddish. There was concern about what Rav Schechter Shlita would say that might upset the more chareidi public.
The speeches were so screened that the Hebrew translation was on the screen before they said it.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #445 on: January 02, 2020, 09:55:52 AM »
The speeches were so screened that the Hebrew translation was on the screen before they said it.
The allowed rabbi Lau at the last one (granted, that one ran so late that many, myself included weren't around to hear it).

The 2 are probably relatively similar hashkafically.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #446 on: January 02, 2020, 10:00:27 AM »
And getting around the women issue is simple - just talk about melamdim and families. Who does that hurt?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #447 on: January 02, 2020, 10:02:06 AM »
The allowed rabbi Lau at the last one (granted, that one ran so late that many, myself included weren't around to hear it).

The 2 are probably relatively similar hashkafically.
My point was that this was not a concern. Besides, Rav Schachter is way to smart to do such a thing. I know from personal experience that he is very in tune to this. He probably would decline if offered.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #448 on: January 02, 2020, 10:04:15 AM »
They did have free hot water. So fill a cup and wait 5 minutes in the cold.

Handing out bottled water may have been against the agreement with metlife and the concession that has a monopoly on selling food.

They have 7 kosher stands operating during a football game, they only had 1 yesterday. Food is a huge part of every siyum, it's something I feel they should greatly improve for next time, even if it has to be sold.

And getting around the women issue is simple - just talk about melamdim and families. Who does that hurt?

For Agudah, highlighting the women supporting their husbands is about as progressive as they will get. Previous siyumim they were probably an afterthought, if mentioned much at all. Not that I think they should've done more.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #449 on: January 02, 2020, 10:04:21 AM »
And getting around the women issue is simple - just talk about melamdim and families. Who does that hurt?
They don't see it as something to get around.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.