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Author Topic: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.  (Read 102563 times)

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #580 on: January 02, 2020, 04:13:21 PM »
I don't think Jay has any intention ever of pulling a rechnitz etc but I can ask him.

I should tell him I prefer the noe shteinzaltz talmud over his schotenstein artscroll but while both own Carmel and yatir, Jay has the good Napa wines lol

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #581 on: January 02, 2020, 04:14:53 PM »
Regarding retractable roof. I was just surprised that no venues in the greater NY area have this capacity. What happens to large concerts? All at msg?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #582 on: January 02, 2020, 04:16:57 PM »
Regarding retractable roof. I was just surprised that no venues in the greater NY area have this capacity. What happens to large concerts? All at msg?
Many are at MSG. There are some at other venues, but MSG is probably the most popular.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #583 on: January 02, 2020, 04:18:10 PM »
https://www.livescience.com/42996-open-stadium-super-bowl-2014.html

Weird googling it and you get a lot of info. I just assumed that given the cold etc someone would build something

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #584 on: January 02, 2020, 04:19:29 PM »
There's also Barclays Center

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #585 on: January 02, 2020, 04:21:00 PM »
There was no concern that Mr Schottenstein was going to ad-lib kaddish. There was concern about what Rav Schechter Shlita would say that might upset the more chareidi public.

Do you really know that the Agudah was concerned about what he would say, or is that a personal belief?

There were certainly many great Rabbanim from different branches of orthodoxy who were not represented, but unless you know that R Schecter was not asked to speak because of a specific concern about his message I think its irresponsible to state that he was excluded because of a concern about what he would say.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #586 on: January 02, 2020, 04:23:24 PM »
Both with 20k capacity. That's tiny. A rolling Stones concert sells out at over 50k ppl

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #587 on: January 02, 2020, 04:26:00 PM »
You keep on complaining why they didn't talk about the women who learn Torah themselves.

I would suggest you to start with this inclusive concept yourself.

From now on, Next time you say Kriyas Shema, Instead of just saying "ולמדתם אותם את בניכם", rather say "ולמדתם אותם את בניכם ובנותיכם".

From there move on to Tfilin etc, It's 2020 now, time for gender equality!
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #588 on: January 02, 2020, 04:26:15 PM »
Both with 20k capacity. That's tiny. A rolling Stones concert sells out at over 50k ppl
That's large for some artists. Rolling Stones are in the higher capacity tier for performers. I deal with plenty of events that have <10k capacity, some even just a few thousand.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #589 on: January 02, 2020, 04:26:26 PM »
Both with 20k capacity. That's tiny. A rolling Stones concert sells out at over 50k ppl
All the huge concerts in NYC are in the summer - or at least not in the winter.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #590 on: January 02, 2020, 04:29:48 PM »
Do you really know that the Agudah was concerned about what he would say, or is that a personal belief?

There were certainly many great Rabbanim from different branches of orthodoxy who were not represented, but unless you know that R Schecter was not asked to speak because of a specific concern about his message I think its irresponsible to state that he was excluded because of a concern about what he would say.
It has nothing to do with what he would say
It has to do with giving the dais (which would imply possibly an endorsement not of the person but what they represent)
This goes way back to Poland and probably further

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #591 on: January 02, 2020, 04:30:07 PM »
50k is outdoors

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #592 on: January 02, 2020, 04:36:52 PM »
It has nothing to do with what he would say
It has to do with giving the dais (which would imply possibly an endorsement not of the person but what they represent)
This goes way back to Poland and probably further

I was not talking about who was on the dais or even who was asked to speak, my issue is with someone saying

There was no concern that Mr Schottenstein was going to ad-lib kaddish. There was concern about what Rav Schechter Shlita would say that might upset the more chareidi public.

Whatever their reasons are, they are, but conjecture about why someone was or was not asked to speak can't be a good thing for achdus.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #593 on: January 02, 2020, 04:40:06 PM »
It has nothing to do with what he would say
It has to do with giving the dais (which would imply possibly an endorsement not of the person but what they represent)
This goes way back to Poland and probably further
It's a slippery slope to say that the Agudah needs to agree with every position of everyone who speaks on the dais. They let a board member of YU say kaddish!

My point was not to get into a debate over the hashkafa. My point was that if the speakers are preaching Achdus, but tailoring it  to only a slice of the Torah community, the achdus talking points seem less sincere.

Maybe I'm misguided, but to me, the Ikkur of something like Daf Yomi is that so many people are learning the same Torah at the same time. I would never go to a standard Aguda asifa or meeting and complain about the hashkafa - I just thought the siyum was b'shitta supposed to be about achdus - which a large portion of it was - mostly the dancing and the actual siyum. The speeches around it (and the decisions of who gets to speak and who doesn't) seemed more to cater to Agudah's agenda than the overall siyum. And that's unfortunate to me. But obviously it's well within their purvue to run it how they want.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #594 on: January 02, 2020, 04:47:28 PM »
did you notice ahron teitilbaum satmer rebbe on big screen what was that is he a agdist

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #595 on: January 02, 2020, 04:50:58 PM »
did you notice ahron teitilbaum satmer rebbe on big screen what was that is he a agdist
What did they show him doing ?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #596 on: January 02, 2020, 04:51:15 PM »
It's a slippery slope to say that the Agudah needs to agree with every position of everyone who speaks on the dais.

My point was not to get into a debate over the hashkafa. My point was that if the speakers are preaching Achdus, but tailoring it  to only a slice of the Torah community, the achdus talking points seem less sincere.
Its not every position, its an implicit endorsement of of the institution he represents
dont confuse the issues

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #598 on: January 02, 2020, 05:04:27 PM »
Why are all of you assuming that he wasn't invited to speak? If he wasn't, why do you presume to know the reason why?

He probably would decline if offered.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #599 on: January 02, 2020, 05:06:05 PM »
@Yehuda57 we need the rest of the top 10 signs you knows this was not a Chabad event  ;D

Where is that post about what would have happened if someone yelled at the kinnus hashluchim picture that they hadn't put on tfilin?
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