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Author Topic: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.  (Read 102550 times)

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #680 on: January 04, 2020, 10:54:16 PM »
It was paid for. Most likely stage fright.
Paid for + stage fright, how does this add up? Why pay if you aren't up to it?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #681 on: January 04, 2020, 10:57:12 PM »
How can I watch Rabbi Schiff without the English translation? All the replays seem to have it, and i cant find a Yiddish version of the siyum

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #682 on: January 04, 2020, 10:58:13 PM »
Interesting. I thought the Chazzan (whoever he was) actually davened very nicely. I know I would have davened much faster... He was very sincere.
Nicely - yes. Sincere - absolutely. Accurate in uttering the words - well, I wouldn't let my kids get away with that (and I'm not talking about מלעיל and מלרע, many people have a mesorah that for davening it doesn't matter that much).
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #683 on: January 04, 2020, 10:59:32 PM »
Interesting. I thought the Chazzan (whoever he was) actually davened very nicely. I know I would have davened much faster... He was very sincere.
I also thought he sounded good, then again I didn’t go looking to criticize  every little detail and I actually enjoyed myself, even though I was frozen

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #684 on: January 04, 2020, 11:00:17 PM »
Paid for + stage fright, how does this add up? Why pay if you aren't up to it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Dovid_Zwiebel

I'm not sure I would attribute stage fright to a person with such a career, though it is possible in such a unique setting.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #685 on: January 04, 2020, 11:01:25 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Dovid_Zwiebel

I'm not sure I would attribute stage fright to a person with such a career, though it is possible in such a unique setting.
He was not the chazzan

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #686 on: January 04, 2020, 11:02:53 PM »
Paid for + stage fright, how does this add up? Why pay if you aren't up to it?
Nothing against the chazzan, but to answer your question, that’s an old issue goes way back to the times of the Bais hamikdash when people would buy the rights to be the Kohen Gadol and wouldn’t last thru Yom Kipper

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #687 on: January 04, 2020, 11:03:13 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Dovid_Zwiebel

I'm not sure I would attribute stage fright to a person with such a career, though it is possible in such a unique setting.
Was it him davening? Looked like a younger guy.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #688 on: January 04, 2020, 11:04:36 PM »
Was it him davening? Looked like a younger guy.
It was not

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #689 on: January 04, 2020, 11:06:37 PM »
Nicely - yes. Sincere - absolutely. Accurate in uttering the words - well, I wouldn't let my kids get away with that (and I'm not talking about מלעיל and מלרע, many people have a mesorah that for davening it doesn't matter that much).
I'm just curious how one can worry about being medakdek about pronunciation, when most of the Ashkenazi Jewish world in no way, shape, or form, speaks anything close to the pronunciation of a semetic language, which Hebrew is.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #690 on: January 04, 2020, 11:11:12 PM »
I'm just curious how one can worry about being medakdek about pronunciation, when most of the Ashkenazi Jewish world in no way, shape, or form, speaks anything close to the pronunciation of a semetic language, which Hebrew is.
Today's Hebrew not authentic either. The Yemenites probably have it the closest.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #691 on: January 04, 2020, 11:12:06 PM »
Today's Hebrew not authentic either. The Yemenites probably have it the closest.
Yes. The closer it sound to Arabic, the more accurate is probably is. Or ugariyic but I'm not aware of that language still being spoken.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #692 on: January 04, 2020, 11:13:12 PM »
Considering lots of people pronounce it "yisGOOdal vYisKOOdash shOO Maiy ROObU", I'm not really sure how nitpicky we can be.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #693 on: January 04, 2020, 11:24:10 PM »
He was not the chazzan
My mistake. I thought I saw it written in the video.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #694 on: January 04, 2020, 11:29:27 PM »
Why didn't they pick a Chazzan for Mincha that can properly say עברי and doesn't swallow words?
He actually davened beautifully has he does daily.
He didnt swallow a single word, it was the mike.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #695 on: January 04, 2020, 11:32:35 PM »
He actually davened beautifully has he does daily.
He didnt swallow a single word, it was the mike.
The swallowing seemed to come when he bowed.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #696 on: January 04, 2020, 11:33:13 PM »
I'm just curious how one can worry about being medakdek about pronunciation, when most of the Ashkenazi Jewish world in no way, shape, or form, speaks anything close to the pronunciation of a semetic language, which Hebrew is.

I did not refer to pronunciation. I referred to uttering words with the wrong letters SHIN instead of SIN and cutting words short or totally not uttering them (during Ashrei and Aleinu).

I also thought he sounded good, then again I didn’t go looking to criticize  every little detail and I actually enjoyed myself, even though I was frozen
Had I been there Davening mincha at the same time (especially if in there cold weather) I would have likely not noticed. I heard it after the fact on YouTube and went back to verify that it wasn't just my ears failing me.

I am accustomed to Davening almost every Shabbos with the most unbelievable Chazzan (as in "no one would believe that you let this guy be Chazzan every Shabbos", and yes - that one too is paid for, just ask @MeirS) so it doesn't really bother me. I just think it's embarrassing for the Chazzan.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #697 on: January 04, 2020, 11:35:57 PM »
I did not refer to pronunciation. I referred to uttering words with the wrong letters SHIN instead of SIN and cutting words short or totally not uttering them (during Ashrei and Aleinu).
Had I been there Davening mincha at the same time (especially if in there cold weather) I would have likely not noticed. I heard it after the fact on YouTube and went back to verify that it wasn't just my ears failing me.

I am accustomed to Davening almost every Shabbos with the most unbelievable Chazzan (as in "no one would believe that you let this guy be Chazzan every Shabbos", and yes - that one too is paid for, just as @MeirS) so it doesn't really bother me. I just think it's embarrassing for the Chazzan.
I think it's hard to judge from a recording, especially since if he was bowing or shukling, the mic didn't pick it up.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #698 on: January 04, 2020, 11:41:13 PM »
The swallowing seemed to come when he bowed.
You mean the mic didn't pick it up at all. Yes I noticed that. Otherwise, I thought it was great. He's human after all.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #699 on: January 04, 2020, 11:43:05 PM »
I think it's hard to judge from a recording, especially since if he was bowing or shukling, the mic didn't pick it up.

A recording allows you to go back and check if you heard what you think you heard. It can be slowed down.

Again, I'm not talking about Chazoras HaShatz. I'm talking about Ashrei and Aleinu (which I think is wonderful to have said loud enough to be heard, and that is why I was so surprised at the mistakes).
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