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Author Topic: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.  (Read 58636 times)

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #600 on: January 02, 2020, 05:30:17 PM »
Why did chazzanim for mincha and maariv not wear a talis?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #601 on: January 02, 2020, 05:34:00 PM »
Why did chazzanim for mincha and maariv not wear a talis?
because it was nusach sfard?
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #602 on: January 02, 2020, 05:34:44 PM »
because it was nusach sfard?
Even for mincha nusach sfard doesnt wear?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #603 on: January 02, 2020, 05:49:49 PM »
Even for mincha nusach sfard doesnt wear?
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #604 on: January 02, 2020, 05:55:59 PM »
Why did chazzanim for mincha and maariv not wear a talis?
Yup for nusach Sfard, which is Agudah.
 Camp Agudah and the rest daven Sfard.
 And yes no Tallis in landous, shomer shabbos or any chassidish shul except for stullen, during mincha and maariv during the week.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #605 on: January 02, 2020, 06:03:02 PM »

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #606 on: January 02, 2020, 06:04:59 PM »
Where ?
Friday night they all wear talaysim!
  But that's why I said weekday's.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #607 on: January 02, 2020, 06:06:41 PM »
Friday night they all wear talaysim!
  But that's why I said weekday's.
Who does ? Stolin ?

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #608 on: January 02, 2020, 06:09:23 PM »
Friday night they all wear talaysim!
Not Chabad.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #609 on: January 02, 2020, 06:27:56 PM »
Wasn't a Tisch that said that. It was the president of the Tisch family company.
I stand corrected
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #610 on: January 02, 2020, 06:34:02 PM »
I usually like her stories but she gets this one totally wrong (yes that's me in the comments).

If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #611 on: January 02, 2020, 06:40:49 PM »
are you unaware of stark hashkafik divide between YU and the main stream ultra orthodox community?
Are you unaware that Rav Schachter isn't stupid and the stark divide is nowhere near as wide as you think amongst the leadership
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #612 on: January 02, 2020, 06:51:51 PM »
I usually like her stories but she gets this one totally wrong (yes that's me in the comments).

She DMd me saying she'd correct it.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #613 on: January 02, 2020, 07:17:58 PM »
Rambam hilchos Talmud Torah 1:13.

Considering the Beis Yaakov movement teaches Written Torah and Halacha, one could assume that the Moetzes is fine with the tiflus concern.
They have the heter of learning Torah Sh'biksav which is mentioned there, (as muter bdieved not lketchila), as well as for dinim which is nogea for women.
Torah shel bal peh there is no heter, so they wern't part of this Siyum Hashas for learning themselves, but for enabling their husbands.

And this concept of praising them for enabling their husbands Is a gemura in Bruchos 17 "נשים במאי זכיין"

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #614 on: January 02, 2020, 07:21:19 PM »
They have the heter of learning Torah Sh'biksav which is mentioned there, (as muter bdieved not lketchila), as well as for dinim which is nogea for women.
Torah shel bal peh there is no heter, so they wern't part of this Siyum Hashas for learning themselves, but for enabling their husbands.

And this concept of praising them for enabling their husbands Is a gemura in Bruchos 17 "נשים במאי זכיין"

While I do not support teaching women torah sheba'al peh, let's quote the sources correctly. The rambam never says that it is assur, so discussing there being a "heter" is not accurate.
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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #615 on: January 02, 2020, 07:51:31 PM »
While I do not support teaching women torah sheba'al peh, let's quote the sources correctly. The rambam never says that it is assur, so discussing there being a "heter" is not accurate.
So let's quote it for you.

צוו חכמים שלא ילמד אדם את בתו תורה וכו׳ אמרו חכמים כל המלמד את בתו תורה כאילו לימדה תיפלות, במה דברים אמורים בתורה שבע״פ אבל תורה שבכתב לא ילמוד אותה לכתחלה ואם לימדה אינה כמלמדה תיפלות

Pretty clear I think.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #616 on: January 02, 2020, 08:57:56 PM »
So let's quote it for you.

צוו חכמים שלא ילמד אדם את בתו תורה וכו׳ אמרו חכמים כל המלמד את בתו תורה כאילו לימדה תיפלות, במה דברים אמורים בתורה שבע״פ אבל תורה שבכתב לא ילמוד אותה לכתחלה ואם לימדה אינה כמלמדה תיפלות

Pretty clear I think.
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To be even clearer, post the מראה מקום let them look it up themselves!

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #617 on: January 02, 2020, 09:00:55 PM »
+100
To be even clearer, post the מראה מקום let them look it up themselves!
Rambam Hilchos Talmud Torah 1 - 13
Sh"u Y"D 246 - 6

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #618 on: January 02, 2020, 09:01:47 PM »
Rambam Hilchos Talmud Torah 1 - 13
Sh"u Y"D 246 - 6
Rambam also quotes an issur for people to accept money for teaching Torah in the same perek, but who's counting.

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Re: The 13th Global Siyum Hashas of Daf YomiAgudath Israel of America.
« Reply #619 on: January 02, 2020, 09:05:44 PM »
Rambam also quotes an issur for people to accept money for teaching Torah in the same perek, but who's counting.
Smarter people than you have dealt with that already, for centuries. Just do your homework. It's one Seuf before. 246 - 5
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