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Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« on: August 24, 2019, 05:28:01 PM »
What's the best way to learn Ivrit?
Been living in Israel for a few years already, dont know Hebrew, whats the best way to learn it
Ulpan, Roseta Stone?

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2019, 09:28:50 PM »
What's the best way to learn Ivrit?
Been living in Israel for a few years already, dont know Hebrew, whats the best way to learn it
Ulpan, Roseta Stone?
The best way is to converse with strangers. Break your teeth over it.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2019, 10:19:57 PM »
I know someone who's been living there for over 50 years and is managing perfectly in English.

It probably depends on the environment. When one is surrounded by English speaking neighbors and friends, and works in an English speaking environment or job, there's really no need to learn ivrit. There's even an all English speaking old age home that I know of.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2019, 11:08:50 PM »
There's a dedicated newspaper for people wanting to learn Ivrit http://shaaronline.co.il/Eng/doc.asp?id=26
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2019, 11:46:33 PM »
I know someone who's been living there for over 50 years and is managing perfectly in English.

It probably depends on the environment. When one is surrounded by English speaking neighbors and friends, and works in an English speaking environment or job, there's really no need to learn ivrit. There's even an all English speaking old age home that I know of.
99% of the time you can get away with english. But if you have issues with phone or utility providers, good luck working it out in English.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2019, 12:00:04 AM »
99% of the time you can get away with english. But if you have issues with phone or utility providers, good luck working it out in English.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2019, 12:40:11 AM »
99% of the time you can get away with english. But if you have issues with phone or utility providers, good luck working it out in English.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2019, 06:27:17 AM »
99% of the time you can get away with english. But if you have issues with phone or utility providers, good luck working it out in English.
Its more like 70 % , when you want to deal with government offices, medical offices its becomes a real pain not to know hebrew.

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2019, 10:21:28 AM »
Its more like 70 % , when you want to deal with government offices, medical offices its becomes a real pain not to know hebrew.

It can sometimes be an even greater pain when you do speak to them in Hebrew.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2019, 11:25:41 AM »
Ok but the point is let say your trying to make appt somewhere or trying to rent a tzimmer and they do not speak english at all. If you dont know hebrew you can't communicate. If you do know hebrew you always pretend not to.

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2019, 12:10:10 PM »
I know someone who's been living there for over 50 years and is managing perfectly in English.

It probably depends on the environment. When one is surrounded by English speaking neighbors and friends, and works in an English speaking environment or job, there's really no need to learn ivrit. There's even an all English speaking old age home that I know of.

The reason said person doesn't properly speak Ivrit to this very day, is the exact reason why it wasn't needed. If one gets out of their bubble and immerses themselves in a non-English speaking environment, they will speak the local language in no time.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2019, 07:24:56 AM »
The reason said person doesn't properly speak Ivrit to this very day, is the exact reason why it wasn't needed. If one gets out of their bubble and immerses themselves in a non-English speaking environment, they will speak the local language in no time.

-1! Sometimes it works but there is a certain amount of vocabulary that an average person cannot pick up, just immersing in a culture does not necessarily work.

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2019, 08:00:12 AM »
-1! Sometimes it works but there is a certain amount of vocabulary that an average person cannot pick up, just immersing in a culture does not necessarily work.
-1 to your minus one. If you want every last vocabulary word read hebrew newspapers.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2019, 08:46:56 AM »
-1! Sometimes it works but there is a certain amount of vocabulary that an average person cannot pick up, just immersing in a culture does not necessarily work.

There's only that much vocabulary that one needs in order to manage. You can rest assured that medical vocabulary isn't part of it, and that many native speakers might not necessarily be familiar. It's OK.

I know that some people have more of a knack for languages than others, but few will find methods other than immersion (speaking and reading) better (many non-English speakers pick up English by watching English speaking TV with subtitles in their native language, but that doesn't work for everyone).

I remember when I was in Yeshiva there was an older Israeli bochur who wanted to learn English. He would borrow English books with stories of Tzaddikim for children, try to read as much as he could on his own, and then came to me for whatever he couldn't figure out or for review.

At a very young age I raised bilingual at home. My third language was acquired by immersion (also at a young age). I picked up Aramaic (non-conversational) through learning Gemorah and saying שניים מקרא ואחד תרגום. Is my Aramaic vocabulary complete?  Absolutely not, but in most cases I can pick up an unfamiliar Gemorah, or read one of the more elaborative תרגומים and comprehend what I am reading, even if I am unfamiliar with 5% of the words or expressions without looking them up. One of the languages I spoke as a toddler is somewhat forgotten (since my grandmother passed away I had no use for it, though it would have come handy starting in my teenage years, and I can still understand some) and another language was picked up in my late teens and is one of my primary languages to this day.

So to summarize, I can tell you from personal experience: 1. There's nothing like immersion for learning a language. 2. You don't need to have a complete vocabulary of more than several hundred words in order to manage.

ETA: My son is somewhat of an autodidact, and decided at some point to learn Esperanto as a gateway to learning additional languages (he already knows a few). Since immersion isn't really possible (or practical) in Esperanto, he was practicing using Duolingo.
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2019, 11:32:24 AM »
Ulpan helps and practice afterwards.

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2019, 04:54:27 PM »
Ulpan helps and practice afterwards.

Thanks, costs almost 5,000 shekel!

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2019, 05:24:01 PM »
Thanks, costs almost 5,000 shekel!

To learn and practice a new language for 1200$ I think it worth any penny !

BTW if someone know for a sort of an 'ulpan' to learn English here in NY for the same price I know a few people that will be interested..

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2019, 05:52:53 PM »
To learn and practice a new language for 1200$ I think it worth any penny !

BTW if someone know for a sort of an 'ulpan' to learn English here in NY for the same price I know a few people that will be interested..

What about Rosetta Stone is that worth it?

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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2019, 05:55:08 PM »
What about Rosetta Stone is that worth it?

Duolingo is free

Use https://www.prendergastlibrary.org for Rosetta Stone
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Re: Best Way to Learn Hebrew/ Ivrit
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2019, 06:46:29 PM »
Duo lingo is free

Use https://www.prendergastlibrary.org for Rosetta Stone

Duolingo is not as good as a Ulpan ..

I am not familiar with Rosetta Stone .. I did the Pimsleur cd, but I will definitely take a class course of there is any ..

And thanks for the link, but they're asking a "Patron ID"
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