Author Topic: "Why Does No One Care About Violence Against Orthodox Jews?" (Interesting Article Split)  (Read 20988 times)

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It is possible but highly unlikely. Those growing up in sheltered communities are less aware of what is going on outside their community. I know no one likes to hear that but facts are facts.

I grew up in South Africa, no other Chassidic Jews in my neighborhood.
I studied in Canada, France, Australia, Brooklyn and Buffalo.
My wife grew up in Nebraska, 3 hours away from the nearest Chassidic Jew, and who knows how far from what one could legitimately call a Chassidic community.
My next door neighbor is from Trinidad. My co-workers are from the Philippines, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Puerto Rico, and numerous states.
I've traveled to 5 continents.
I am hardly the exception. But please, tell me more about how sheltered we are.

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Except that there are constantly MSM articles etc about racism and many other forms of bigotry but not about this one.
...and that has what to do with my point?
Do you see anywhere I say MSM gives equal time to violence against each minority?
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This is why we all have passports.

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I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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This is last week:


That's one of the leaders of the Reform movement, arguably the largest group of Jews in the country, going on a show with an unrepentant anti-Semite with Jewish blood on his hands.

This is the head of the ADL, who's job description is literally to combat anti-Semitism also whitewashing the anti-Semite:



This is because the victims are A) not the right kind of Jews. b) the perpetrators are not the right kind of anti-Semites.


They, like many others, are more concerned about bashing Trump than the real issue.
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...and that has what to do with my point?
Do you see anywhere I say MSM gives equal time to violence against each minority?

Who's talking about equal time?
OK. So let's get some facts from the one that is out there so much. Please provide some MSM or tweets from the people "out there" that decry the kind of antisemitism we are talking about.

PUOSU!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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...and that has what to do with my point?
Do you see anywhere I say MSM gives equal time to violence against each minority?

How about one small iota of acknowledging it exists?
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I grew up in South Africa, no other Chassidic Jews in my neighborhood.
I studied in Canada, France, Australia, Brooklyn and Buffalo.
My wife grew up in Nebraska, 3 hours away from the nearest Chassidic Jew, and who knows how far from what one could legitimately call a Chassidic community.
My next door neighbor is from Trinidad. My co-workers are from the Philippines, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Puerto Rico, and numerous states.
I've traveled to 5 continents.
I am hardly the exception. But please, tell me more about how sheltered we are.
Maybe this is why you call out Trump on his anti-Semitic remarks and certain others that don't have your exposure will not?
I didn't think you would help prove my point.  :)
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How about one small iota of acknowledging it exists?
That what exists? MSM gives more coverage to certain minority violence (non-Jewish).
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How about one small iota of acknowledging it exists?
That what exists? MSM gives more coverage to certain minority violence (non-Jewish).

OK. Since you seem to have failed reading comprehension, let's spell it out for you in the simplest of terms:

Could you please bring some (or any) quotes from MSM or Twitter that decry antisemitism against Jews who look like the Jews of Lakewood, Boro Park, Williamsburg, Crown Heights, Monsey, KJ, etc.
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That what exists? MSM gives exclusive coverage to certain minority violence (non-ultra-orthodox).
FTFY
You totally missed the boat about anything anyone here is saying.
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That what exists? MSM gives more coverage to certain minority violence (non-Jewish).


OK. Since you seem to have failed reading comprehension, let's spell it out for you in the simplest of term.

Could you please bring some (or any) quotes from MSM or Twitter that decry antisemitism against Jews who look like the Jews of Lakewood, Boro Park, Williamsburg, Crown Heights, Monsey, KJ, etc.
I don't think it is reading comprehension but rather that he is not understanding the entire concept.
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Maybe this is why you call out Trump on his anti-Semitic remarks and certain others that don't have your exposure will not?
I didn't think you would help prove my point.  :)
They, like many others, are more concerned about bashing Trump than the real issue.
I think we found one.
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The problem is I am addressing one part of the article and ALL OF YOU are trying to apply it to the whole article. What part of this do you not understand?
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The problem is I am addressing one part of the article
Which was?
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but the vast majority of American Anti-Semitic attacks come from African Americans and Hispanic individuals.

Which is an example I give to people about why racism by Jews is so repugnant.
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Which was?
Now you ask.  ::)
That no one cares, no one is doing anything.
And almost no one will stand up for us. Even when Orthodox Jews are brutally attacked, those with power limit their reaction to a single tweet. After yesterday’s attack in Crown Heights, New York City officials posted obligatory calls for tolerance, yet the lack of any real action is troubling. In June, at the Jewish American Heritage Month party at Gracie Mansion, Mayor Bill de Blasio promised to immediately open an office devoted to combatting anti-Semitism; it’s two months and several anti-Jewish hate crimes later, and Jewish communal representatives are saying that they have yet to get an update on this.

Now if you want to say it is worse against orthodox Jews than other Jews I would agree with you but that is not my point. My original point and still is ALL minorities have the same problem. That no one cares, no one is doing anything. Please don't take no one literally.
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Now you ask.  ::)
That no one cares, no one is doing anything.
And almost no one will stand up for us. Even when Orthodox Jews are brutally attacked, those with power limit their reaction to a single tweet. After yesterday’s attack in Crown Heights, New York City officials posted obligatory calls for tolerance, yet the lack of any real action is troubling. In June, at the Jewish American Heritage Month party at Gracie Mansion, Mayor Bill de Blasio promised to immediately open an office devoted to combatting anti-Semitism; it’s two months and several anti-Jewish hate crimes later, and Jewish communal representatives are saying that they have yet to get an update on this.

Now if you want to say it is worse against orthodox Jews than other Jews I would agree with you but that is not my point. My original point and still is ALL minorities have the same problem. That no one cares, no one is doing anything. Please don't take no one literally.
All minorities have a problem that there is not enough attention. Bigotry targeting orthodox jews has gotten ZERO attention.
a big portion of that is because
They, like many others, are more concerned about bashing Trump than the real issue.
This is a big portion of why you find people here not caring enough about Trump.
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All minorities have a problem that there is not enough attention. Bigotry targeting orthodox jews has gotten ZERO attention.
I will not take ZERO literally.
At our DO how many would you say were Orthodox Jews. How would I know?
I am assuming Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox is different. Is that correct?
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I will not take ZERO literally.
At our DO how many would you say were Orthodox Jews. How would I know?
I am assuming Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox is different. Is that correct?
These paragraphs are the key
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Why won’t anyone speak up? Is it because they do not see Orthodox Jews as real Americans, as citizens deserving of the right to live safely in their communities? Are we too “other,” too “apart,” “disloyal,” to earn the privilege of peaceful existence? Is it because we are politically inconvenient? If the perpetrator wasn’t a white supremacist who voted for Trump, then it didn’t really happen, did it?
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Our secular brethren may walk in the street and have the luxury of blending into the crowd, as anonymous New Yorkers, but we wear our identities on our sleeves.
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These paragraphs are the key
I understand that.
How about my questions? This isn't a trick.
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