Author Topic: "Why Does No One Care About Violence Against Orthodox Jews?" (Interesting Article Split)  (Read 20984 times)

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Please clarify this. You comparing deaths to being roughed up?

No, I was commenting on the notion of how under reported crimes against Blacks might be. Even in agreement that there is probably a larger amount of distrust of the police in the AA community vs the Jewish community, I can't imagine that it's so much larger that Jews are still not the most disproportionately targeted group. My point was that If I took the total number of AA people shot by police in the USA in 2017, there'd be less than 0.6 hate crimes reported per 10000 AA people in the USA. Jewish hate crimes are 2 per 10000 - more than 3x as much.

Also hate crimes in the UCR table I used aren't broken down by type of incident - could be murders, could be assault, could be vandalism or harrasment.

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No, I was commenting on the notion of how under reported crimes against Blacks might be. Even in agreement that there is probably a larger amount of distrust of the police in the AA community vs the Jewish community, I can't imagine that it's so much larger that Jews are still not the most disproportionately targeted group. My point was that If I took the total number of AA people shot by police in the USA in 2017, there'd be less than 0.6 hate crimes reported per 10000 AA people in the USA. Jewish hate crimes are 2 per 10000 - more than 3x as much.

Also hate crimes in the UCR table I used aren't broken down by type of incident - could be murders, could be assault, could be vandalism or harrasment.
You are using deaths of AA as your base for hate crimes. That makes no sense. Lets use Jews shoot by police as a base. How many of those do you know of.
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You are using deaths of AA as your base for hate crimes. That makes no sense. Lets use Jews shoot by police as a base. How many of those do you know of.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough - you were talking about the under reporting of hate crimes, and the distrust of the AA community of the police. I would imagine that a black man shot by police would be considered a hate crime in the AA community, but definitely not likely by the police.  What I am suggesting is, that even if you add those to the FBI's UCR statistics of hate crimes against AA, it would still be significantly disproportionate to the violence against jews NOT including anything outside the UCR.

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Maybe I wasn't clear enough - you were talking about the under reporting of hate crimes, and the distrust of the AA community of the police. I would imagine that a black man shot by police would be considered a hate crime in the AA community, but definitely not likely by the police.  What I am suggesting is, that even if you add those to the FBI's UCR statistics of hate crimes against AA, it would still be significantly disproportionate to the violence against jews NOT including anything outside the UCR.
Ok I understand what you are saying. I would just leave deaths out of the picture.
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I think one of the most disturbing aspects of anti-orthodoxy is that many of the same people who profess to be fighting anti-semitism actually practice it when it comes to the orthodox.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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I think one of the most disturbing aspects of anti-orthodoxy is that many of the same people who profess to be fighting anti-semitism actually practice it when it comes to the orthodox.
Is this what they call the Jews Jew?
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Is this what they call the Jews Jew?
Yes, this is what the author of the article meant by that line
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I think one of the most disturbing aspects of anti-orthodoxy is that many of the same people who profess to be fighting anti-semitism actually practice it when it comes to the orthodox.

Just look at what goes on in Israel. The upcoming election was prompted by it.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Yes, this is what the author of the article meant by that line
Sad but not surprising.
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Sad but not surprising.

Are you really implying that this wasn't clear to you until now?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Are you really implying that this wasn't clear to you until now?
Before we get into another circle jerk, what wasn't clear to me?
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Before we get into another circle jerk, what wasn't clear to me?

Is this what they call the Jews Jew?

And by extension, I took that to mean that you might have not realized that said bias can very easily come from Jewish people.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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And by extension, I took that to mean that you might have not realized that said bias can very easily come from Jewish people.
I seen the term in the article but didn't pay much attention to it.
Some of the worst discrimination comes from within. I gave the example of light/dark skin blacks.
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