Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons

[Dan]

Isn't that a Chassidish minhag?

Could be, I wouldn't know.

[Chaikel]

Though I never quite understood how Romaine is OK?

My in-laws don't put anything on matza. Nothing. Can be dry as a rock, it still can't touch matza. The only exception is Korech. I always tell my father in-law "had Hillel been in the family, we wouldn't have Korech". The point is that minhagim are all nice and dandy, but they don't supersede halacha

[churnbabychurn]

I did misspeak - it can't just be you'll daven better. It has to be that the fact that you're hungry makes you not be mechaven.

Your previous comment was better.
 Someone who is very hungry has a din choleh <mechaber>, hence no problem of gaavah, (see m"b there 21 and 24.
(It has nothing to do with kavana, the m'b only mentions the fact that today we are not mechaven as a reason not to be mechayev it)

[churnbabychurn]

I feel that your response to my comment was malei gaavah.

I happen to feel that lay people who "Go thrugh sugiyos" and reach halachic conclusions are possibly malei gaava to.
I suggested asking a qualified rov.
I dont know you personally, but I dont like the term "I went through the sugiya once etc." it always sets me off, sorry.

[moko]

I happen to feel that lay people who "Go thrugh sugiyos" and reach halachic conclusions are possibly malei gaava to.
I suggested asking a qualified rov.
I dont know you personally, but I dont like the term "I went through the sugiya once etc." it always sets me off, sorry.

learning the sugyos is the proper way to start learning and understand halacha

[Baruch]

I happen to feel that lay people who "Go thrugh sugiyos" and reach halachic conclusions are possibly malei gaava to.
I suggested asking a qualified rov.
I dont know you personally, but I dont like the term "I went through the sugiya once etc." it always sets me off, sorry.

Excuse me - lay people? I learn 3 sedorim a day. I wrote I went through the sugya a few times. And I went through it thoroughly.

[churnbabychurn]

+1 on both an old heated machlokes
the Gr"a seems to have held that it's a minhag shtus while R' Moshe held u need hataras nedarim as long as u were noheig the minhag as a gadol even if it was just bec. of ur father

Its not at all an established fact that the Gr"a was not makpid on gebroks, the masseh rav story is referring only that he ate keneidelach, in a case of 'chalita berotchim' that would not become chomets anyway.
There are opinions that he was makpid on gebroks. (not many ppl call never gebroks a minhag shtus anyway)
Personally I love my gebroks, get a kick out of how the chabadskers mamash think its like im eating challah, (in a  way)

[churnbabychurn]

Excuse me - lay people? I learn 3 sedorim a day. I wrote I went through the sugya a few times. And I went through it thoroughly. You really are a Baal Gaavah.

Based on your comments you can do with going through it again.

[Baruch]

Your previous comment was better.
 Someone who is very hungry has a din choleh <mechaber>, hence no problem of gaavah, (see m"b there 21 and 24.
(It has nothing to do with kavana, the m'b only mentions the fact that today we are not mechaven as a reason not to be mechayev it)

And you're telling me that I can't learn a sugya, and rely on my conclusions. The Mechaber says הצמא והרעב הרי הם בכלל החולים, אם יש בו יכולת לכוין דעתו, יתפלל, ואם לאו אם רצה אל יתפלל עד שיאכל  וישתה


You are making a fool of yourself.

If someone says he went through a sugya a few times, give him the respect to read the SHULCHAN ARUCH at minimum, before you roll your eyes and berate him.

[moko]

Its not at all an established fact that the Gr"a was not makpid on gebroks, the masseh rav story is referring only that he ate keneidelach, in a case of 'chalita berotchim' that would not become chomets anyway.
There are opinions that he was makpid on gebroks. (not many ppl call never gebroks a minhag shtus anyway)
Personally I love my gebroks, get a kick out of how the chabadskers mamash think its like im eating challah, (in a  way)

the be'er heteiv says that even for those who are makpid, there's no reason not to dip your matza to eat immediately for the same reason, but yet there are those of us who are still makpid oh well

as a side note, I find the sefer minhag yisrael torah to be a fascinating source for all minhagim for and a against (all minhagim, of all denominations) though many of his sources must be double checked

[churnbabychurn]

I happen to feel that lay people who "Go thrugh sugiyos" and reach halachic conclusions are possibly malei gaava to.
I suggested asking a qualified rov.
I dont know you personally, but I dont like the term "I went through the sugiya once etc." it always sets me off, sorry.

Never called you a lay person C"v.
Seriously, I was careful! I was just stating that I all to often hear the term, I went through it etc, from lay ppl...

[churnbabychurn]

And you're telling me that I can't learn a sugya. The Mechaber says הצמא והרעב הרי הם בכלל החולים אם יש בו יכולת לכוין דעתו, יתפלל, ואם לאו אם רצה אל יתפלל עד שיאכל  וישתה

[Baruch]

And you're telling me that I can't learn a sugya. The Mechaber says הצמא והרעב הרי הם בכלל החולים אם יש בו יכולת לכוין דעתו, יתפלל, ואם לאו אם רצה אל יתפלל עד שיאכל  וישתה

What's your point?

Of course it is because he has a din choleh. But the Mechaber says it must disturb his Kavanah, and it can't just be that he doesn't daven as well. I originally wrote that if he davens better, I changed it to if he can't have kavanah without it. You said I was wrong, I quoted you the Shulchan Aruch. What's your point that he has a din Choleh?

[churnbabychurn]

I feel that heter for a roev harbeh is because he is a choleh see mechaber end of 3, and m'b there. the fact that he is eating lerefuah negates the issur.
The m'b seems to be saying that the lack of kavana today is a reason not to be mechayev one to eat.
Im not so sure myself, one thing I do know is that the established minhag is not to eat even if hungry. This is why I said that a rov should decide these things, and no, sorry, even yungerlite who learn three sedorim are not necessarily rabbonim. (I dont know you though)

[judahk88]

This thread is confusing me. Are there like 2-3 different convos going on?

[Baruch]

I feel that heter for a roev harbeh is because he is a choleh see mechaber end of 3, and m'b there. the fact that he is eating lerefuah negates the issur.
The m'b seems to be saying that the lack of kavana today is a reason not to be mechayev one to eat.
Im not so sure myself, one thing I do know is that the established minhag is not to eat even if hungry. This is why I said that a rov should decide these things, and no, sorry, even yungerlite who learn three sedorim are not necessarily rabbonim. (I dont know you though)

You bring up a good point. But if it's true that it has nothing to do with kavanah, then why does the Mechaber say that if he can be mechaven he can't eat? All this doubt caused me not to have the guts to actually eat.

Even though if I would have the playtzus of a Rav, I probably would eat.

[Baruch]

This thread is confusing me. Are there like 2-3 different convos going on?

yes.

[judahk88]

yes.

Why and why in this thread?

[churnbabychurn]

You bring up a good point. But if it's true that it has nothing to do with kavanah, then why does the Mechaber say that if he can be mechaven he can't eat? All this doubt caused me not to have the guts to actually eat.

Even though if I would have the playtzus of a Rav, I probably would eat.

Wondering that myself... would check leshonos of the reshonim etc.... gotta be through when paskening from a shulchan oruch without a rov 

[Baruch]

Why and why in this thread?

They all have chabad minhagim related to the discussion.