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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1140 on: September 17, 2018, 05:17:19 PM »
When did singing Adon Olam after davening on shabbos start?

Whenever it starts, it takes forever to finish.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1141 on: September 17, 2018, 05:45:32 PM »
Where exactly is tehillim said, and how many/which kapitlach?
The tehillim is divided into 5 'sefarim'.  Also into 7 'yoms' corresponding to days of the week.  Also 30 'yoms' corresponding to days of the month.
Most tehillims have these divisions notated.


Lubavitchers each day say the perakim designated for the yom of the month.  Along with Chumash ( one aliya's worth  each day), and Tanya (entire Tanya finished each year).
Sefer Chitas - chumash, tehillim, tanya
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1142 on: September 17, 2018, 06:57:11 PM »


Those are not more recent?

How is their saying tehilim after any different than when they do that in BMG?

You obviously don't know much about this topic.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1143 on: September 17, 2018, 06:57:34 PM »
When did singing Adon Olam after davening on shabbos start?
Never seen it done

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1144 on: September 17, 2018, 06:58:06 PM »

You obviously don't know much about this topic.
You seem to hint that you are extremely knowledgeable. Why don't you enlighten everyone?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1145 on: September 17, 2018, 06:58:43 PM »

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1146 on: September 17, 2018, 06:59:52 PM »
Never seen it done

I guess you live in one of these.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1147 on: September 17, 2018, 07:02:41 PM »
Who changed nussach hatefila?

Fwiu often shiur starts right after davening, whether it's a short halacha, mishayis, or a sif chofetz chaim, isn't that terrible as well? To change davening like that?

This reminds me of the gadol that said at least they are adding rosh hashanas not taking away.
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You need a serious serious Chesbon nefesh this Y"K, if you get disturbed by other jews saying more tehillim. There is clearly something wrong with your outlook on Judaism and life in general.
The issue is precisely the fact that chabbad tried/did institute this as a fundamental part of Seder tefilas shachris.

It has nothing to do with sinas chinam, or anything against anyone saying Tehilim all day long.
It is about having the authority to change Seder hatefila.

This is a sacred thing that shouldn't be adjusted on a whim. It is not just done in modern times.

I've said enough to present the opposing views... Still love y'all.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1148 on: September 17, 2018, 07:12:32 PM »
The issue is precisely the fact that chabbad tried/did institute this as a fundamental part of Seder tefilas shachris.


It has nothing to do with sinas chinam, or anything against anyone saying Tehilim all day long.
It is about having the authority to change Seder hatefila.
Yet the sources that I brought clearly state אחר התפילה

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This is a sacred thing that shouldn't be adjusted on a whim. It is not just done in modern times.

You don't seem to have a clear definition or understanding of what is sacred (or you wouldn't refer to a תקנה of a Tzaddik the way you just did). You are also seemingly unable to substantiate and back up any of your statements or claims.


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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1149 on: September 17, 2018, 07:12:40 PM »

You obviously don't know much about this topic.
Maybe. What am I missing?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1150 on: September 17, 2018, 07:27:51 PM »
The issue is precisely the fact that chabbad tried/did institute this as a fundamental part of Seder tefilas shachris.

It has nothing to do with sinas chinam, or anything against anyone saying Tehilim all day long.
It is about having the authority to change Seder hatefila.

This is a sacred thing that shouldn't be adjusted on a whim. It is not just done in modern times.

I've said enough to present the opposing views... Still love y'all.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1151 on: September 17, 2018, 07:32:51 PM »
Never seen it done
It's done in thousands of shuls around the world.
But please, tell us more about your expertise in modern day nusach hatefillah.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1152 on: September 17, 2018, 07:43:17 PM »
It's done in thousands of shuls around the world.
But please, tell us more about your expertise in modern day nusach hatefillah.
And it's a new thing?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1153 on: September 17, 2018, 08:08:09 PM »
And it's a new thing?
I don't know, but I would guess it is not as new as Tehillim. But you'll never guess what it *does* have in common with the minhag of "תהלים נאכן דאווענען". (hint: its right there in the name of the Chabad custom.)


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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1154 on: September 17, 2018, 09:04:42 PM »
רחמני ליצלן!!!!!
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Look what a modern goyishe thisng he did after davening (mincha)!! He said tehilim rachmono litzlan!!
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1155 on: September 17, 2018, 09:33:49 PM »
The issue is precisely the fact that chabbad tried/did institute this as a fundamental part of Seder tefilas shachris.

It has nothing to do with sinas chinam, or anything against anyone saying Tehilim all day long.
It is about having the authority to change Seder hatefila.

This is a sacred thing that shouldn't be adjusted on a whim. It is not just done in modern times.

I've said enough to present the opposing views... Still love y'all.
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It gets WORSE!

Chabad GIVES TZEDAKA BEFORE DAVENING! OY GEVALT!

THE GOYIM!!!!

You need a serious serious Chesbon nefesh this Y"K, if you get disturbed by other jews saying more tehillim. There is clearly something wrong with your outlook on Judaism and life in general. When someone is doing a good thing and you have a problem with it, you really need to reexamine your outlook.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1156 on: September 17, 2018, 09:38:33 PM »


BUT WAIT!

It gets WORSE!

Chabad GIVES TZEDAKA BEFORE DAVENING! OY GEVALT!

THE GOYIM!!!!

You need a serious serious Chesbon nefesh this Y"K, if you get disturbed by other jews saying more tehillim. There is clearly something wrong with your outlook on Judaism and life in general. When someone is doing a good thing and you have a problem with it, you really need to reexamine your outlook.

Ok. Thanks I will take your suggestions under consideration.

But for the record, I don't have a problem with Jews saying Tehilim,giving tzedaka or even learning rambam for that matter.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1157 on: September 17, 2018, 10:27:30 PM »
But for the record, I don't have a problem with Jews saying Tehilim,giving tzedaka or even learning rambam for that matter.

I never thought you did, nor did I get that impression from your posts above. Unfortunately the impression that came across was of you having a problem with a תקנה or הוספה בקודש instituted by certain tzaddikim (do you have a problem with daf hayomi?).

I hope this is all a misunderstanding, but you should be aware of the way it comes across.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1158 on: September 17, 2018, 10:47:12 PM »

Ok. Thanks I will take your suggestions under consideration.

But for the record, I don't have a problem with Jews saying Tehilim,giving tzedaka or even learning rambam for that matter.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1159 on: September 17, 2018, 11:10:44 PM »
I never thought you did, nor did I get that impression from your posts above. Unfortunately the impression that came across was of you having a problem with a תקנה or הוספה בקודש instituted by certain tzaddikim (do you have a problem with daf hayomi?).

I hope this is all a misunderstanding, but you should be aware of the way it comes across.

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