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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1540 on: May 29, 2022, 10:47:22 PM »
I don't know. We're they people who asked for 150k for a down payment plus $2500 a month?
Many are their great grandchildren. I can think of some specifically.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1541 on: June 01, 2022, 08:41:26 AM »
One perspective that I don’t think anyone is considering is that if the girls are getting married at 19-20 and the boys at 23, one is already providing 3 years of support for his boys. Is it so crazy to support one’s daughter for the same? Boys can easily cost 1500 a month in that age bracket between tuition, airfare to Israel, extra auto insurance, clothes and extras.

This.

We might pay for some clothing and extra auto insurance (and repairs), but generally no airfare and tuition after age 20 (or 19).

Definitely not $1,500/month.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1542 on: June 01, 2022, 09:15:02 AM »
This.

We might pay for some clothing and extra auto insurance (and repairs), but generally no airfare and tuition after age 20 (or 19).

Definitely not $1,500/month.
Nobody stays in yeshiva past 19-20?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1543 on: June 01, 2022, 09:16:28 AM »
This.

We might pay for some clothing and extra auto insurance (and repairs), but generally no airfare and tuition after age 20 (or 19).

Definitely not $1,500/month.

This is far from standard. Plenty of parents pay for OOT living expenses, semicha programs, airfare, and more post shlichus.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1544 on: June 01, 2022, 09:24:00 AM »
Nobody stays in yeshiva past 19-20?
If your learning in 770 , your expenses are rent and some food.

770 may charge a little for food but there's no tuition for Americans

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1545 on: June 01, 2022, 09:37:58 AM »
This is far from standard. Plenty of parents pay for OOT living expenses, semicha programs, airfare, and more post shlichus.
For 1 year.  Not usually for more.
Starting age 20, there's shlichus year - where he works - in learning - and learns in a high school. Paid for by the high school.
Then semicha year - the price varies by program.
Then 770 or other job/learning setup the bochur arranges.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1546 on: September 25, 2022, 03:11:30 PM »
Hataras nedarim in front of 10 (which turns into 19).
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1547 on: September 25, 2022, 03:23:39 PM »
Hataras nedarim in front of 10 (which turns into 19).

This year I got lucky. We were exactly 11 and all were fluent with the עברי.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1548 on: September 25, 2022, 03:25:10 PM »

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1549 on: September 25, 2022, 04:27:06 PM »
Hataras nedarim in front of 10 (which turns into 19).
I wonder if we can get 20 people and have them read together in 2 shifts of 10?
The whole thing would be over in 10 minutes and not 45.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1550 on: September 25, 2022, 04:30:27 PM »
I wonder if we can get 20 people and have them read together in 2 shifts of 10?
The whole thing would be over in 10 minutes and not 45.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1551 on: September 25, 2022, 04:41:27 PM »
I wonder if we can get 20 people and have them read together in 2 shifts of 10?
The whole thing would be over in 10 minutes and not 45.
in Boston they do 3/10

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1552 on: September 27, 2022, 10:37:16 PM »
3 hour rosh hashana davening

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1553 on: September 28, 2022, 01:16:24 AM »
3 hour rosh hashana davening
Is that a pro or con?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1554 on: September 28, 2022, 01:41:16 AM »
3 hour rosh hashana davening

This is fast. Standard for rh is more like 4.5

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1555 on: September 28, 2022, 01:43:57 AM »
3 hour rosh hashana davening
*3.5 without kratzing.
*4.5 with kratzing.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1556 on: September 28, 2022, 01:50:56 AM »
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1557 on: September 28, 2022, 02:05:02 AM »
*3.5 without kratzing.
*4.5 with kratzing.

I guess davenning times are like every other chumra - anyone slower than me is kratzing, anyone quicker can't possibly be davenning properly.

Just based on what I perceive the average is in ch, the vast majority are kratzing according to this.


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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1558 on: September 28, 2022, 09:05:40 AM »
I guess davenning times are like every other chumra - anyone slower than me is kratzing, anyone quicker can't possibly be davenning properly.

Just based on what I perceive the average is in ch, the vast majority are kratzing according to this.

They've duplicated Kratz beyond 770? Oh boy, are we in trouble.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1559 on: September 28, 2022, 11:48:23 AM »
This is fast. Standard for rh is more like 4.5
Standard RH is more like 6-8 hours in my circles
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