Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons

[imayid2]

This should be easy to understand. People are willing to endure pain, suffering, hardship and difficulties in pursuing a goal. The pleasure of reaching the goal makes the hardships of getting there meaningless. Or on a deeper level, the greater the hardship the greater the pleasure.

Wouldn't you be willing to endure hardships in order to get to אנא ומלכא בלחודוהי? 

But if Halacha is violated in pursuit of the goal how is that acceptable? Until that goal is reached it seems all are in agreement Halacha is being violated?

[Ver hut gazugt]

But if Halacha is violated in pursuit of the goal how is that acceptable? Until that goal is reached it seems all are in agreement Halacha is being violated?

is it a violation or are you not required to stay in the sukkah?

[koplonko]

What I do not understand about this eating in the sukah thing is that the way Iv'e seen this explained is that:
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4128852/jewish/Why-Stay-in-the-Sukkah-When-It-is-Raining.htmYet people in this thread have complained that it is no fun etc. If they are in fact bothered, doesn't that negate the whole explanation of why they eat outside? Or more accurately why they would be "allowed" to eat outside? Or is the complaints just the physical aspects which are truthfully outweighed by the sheer joy?
Isn't it a little difficult to employ this minhag as a one size fits all when it would seem to necessitate a pre existing spiritual level in order to be halachikly compliant?
Is this addressed anywhere? I would appreciate a link.

It may be that people complain only because it's friday

[yelped]

But if Halacha is violated in pursuit of the goal how is that acceptable? Until that goal is reached it seems all are in agreement Halacha is being violated?

Come on, this is complaint is as old as the hills and inaccurate. It's not shemini atzeres.

[imayid2]

is it a violation or are you not required to stay in the sukkah?

Is a bracha recited?

[imayid2]

Come on, this is complaint is as old as the hills and inaccurate. It's not shemini atzeres.

So what's the answer?

[Ver hut gazugt]

Is a bracha recited?

yes.

[Ver hut gazugt]

So what's the answer?

[imayid2]

yes.

So isn’t that a direct violation of Halacha?

[imayid2]

Have to take a better look but IIRC he differentiates between climates. How would that justify let’s just say California?
Either way, there is lots of Rishonim to point to for justification for Shmini Etzeres. There is no such thing for making a bracha while it’s raining. Are there any sources for that at all? Not to mention people who aren’t on the spiritual level to claim they are unbothered by the downpour?

[imayid2]

Come on, this is complaint is as old as the hills and inaccurate.

Can you please explain how it’s inaccurate?

[yelped]

Can you please explain how it’s inaccurate?

It's Friday today. Who has time? There are older sources than the Minchas Eluzer, too.

Just keep in mind who you're up again before using a disparaging tone (I'm assuming unintentional). Chassidim know how to learn and know Halacha, too.

[EliJelly]

It's Friday today. Who has time? There are older sources than the Minchas Eluzer, too.

Just keep in mind who you're up again before using a disparaging tone (I'm assuming unintentional). Chassidim know how to learn and know Halacha, too.

Chassidim sitting in the sukkah in the rain is an old universal thing, making a Bracha OTOH I'm not aware of anywhere besides Chabad, and what is the earliest source there. Can you shed some light on that?

[imayid2]

It's Friday today. Who has time? There are older sources than the Minchas Eluzer, too.

Just keep in mind who you're up again before using a disparaging tone (I'm assuming unintentional). Chassidim know how to learn and know Halacha, too.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Are you referring to S.E? Did you read my posts?

[imayid2]

Just keep in mind who you're up again before using a disparaging tone (I'm assuming unintentional). Chassidim know how to learn and know Halacha, too.

If you wear disparage glasses you will see it everywhere.

[aygart]

So isn’t that a direct violation of Halacha?

Have to take a better look but IIRC he differentiates between climates. How would that justify let’s just say California?
Either way, there is lots of Rishonim to point to for justification for Shmini Etzeres. There is no such thing for making a bracha while it’s raining. Are there any sources for that at all? Not to mention people who aren’t on the spiritual level to claim they are unbothered by the downpour?

Chassidim sitting in the sukkah in the rain is an old universal thing, making a Bracha OTOH I'm not aware of anywhere besides Chabad, and what is the earliest source there. Can you shed some light on that?

https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14612&st=&pgnum=247
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1278&st=&pgnum=87

That said, it still seems to be only for "anshei maase" and not for the masses. Somneone who does not really feel those feelings of tzar eating in the house would seemingly be a bracha livatala.

One diyuk I saw can be made in the TaZ is that he is only saying it is a bracha livatala when someone only goes to the sukka for the bracha but does not remain there in the rain.

[imayid2]

https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14612&st=&pgnum=247
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1278&st=&pgnum=87

Can you write the name of the sefer? I cant access the link right now.

One diyuk I saw can be made in the TaZ is that he is only saying it is a bracha livatala when someone only goes to the sukka for the bracha but does not remain there in the rain.

See pri megadim on that taz who says otherwise.

[imayid2]

See pri megadim on that taz who says otherwise.

As is crystal clear from the taz ס״ק י״ז

[EliJelly]

https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14612&st=&pgnum=247
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1278&st=&pgnum=87

That said, it still seems to be only for "anshei maase" and not for the masses. Somneone who does not really feel those feelings of tzar eating in the house would seemingly be a bracha livatala.

Thanks. I actually saw this over shabbos bringing from the חיד׳׳א in name of his grandfather מהר׳׳א אזולאי. The מהרש׳׳ג is a rather known thing with his two explanations both on eating in the rain and not eating on שמ׳׳ע, but he doesn't talk about making a Bracha in the rain as it was unheard of and wasn't the custom in his area at all. The מהר׳׳א אזולאי is a source for that though.

I also saw that the Satmar Rebbe who was also always eating in the sukkah even in drenching rain, made sure to have thicker schach in his personal sukkah to stop the rain, so if he could eat a כביצה from the time the shlack was opened up until the rain poured in to the point it would be נתקלקל המאכל he was still making a bracha, otherwise he did בלי שם ומלכות. That was also his guidance for those who asked.

[EliJelly]

Can you write the name of the sefer? I cant access the link right now.See pri megadim on that taz who says otherwise.

ברכי יוסף ומהרש׳׳ג. See my above post.