Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons

[jj1000]

Here's an easy hack I've used. Put your plate inside any shipping box with the opening facing you. Stays dry to the last bite.

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[Dan]

These are nice mitigation techniques to cope. But rain is duly recognized as a מצטער, and the Poskim clearly differentiate between cold and rain. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that.

Someone else is going to tell me when I should feel מצטער?
That's why I chose to become a chosid in the first place (despite heavy pressure from my rabeim not to go down that path!)

[yelped]

Someone else is going to tell me when I should feel מצטער?
That's why I chose to become a chosid in the first place (despite heavy pressure from my rabneim not to go down that path!)

That's what @imayid2 says. As opposed to what the Poskim actually say.

[Yehuda57]

The whole argument is based on speculation. Most people presumably

You know there are diaries and written accounts from people who lived then and there's no need to speculate?

[imayid2]

Someone else is going to tell me when I should feel מצטער?
That's why I chose to become a chosid in the first place (despite heavy pressure from my rabneim not to go down that path!)

Ok so the point you’re making is that you have a similar attitude to sukkos as you have towards other exciting activities so it doesn’t bother you. We went through this earlier where I questioned how universal that feeling was. I have nothing to add and I appreciated that Rav Rapoport seems to agree with me that that reason can’t be used as broadly as it is.

[imayid2]

That's what @imayid2 says. As opposed to what the Poskim actually say.

Citation needed for someone applying this as broadly as Chabad.

[moko]

Someone else is going to tell me when I should feel מצטער?

i know....those silly Talmud Rabbis.....think they know better than us Hassidic folk....if only they were Hassidic

[jj1000]

I appreciated that Rav Rapoport seems to agree with me

{Citation Needed}

[yelped]

Citation needed for someone applying this as broadly as Chabad.

Go find me a Lubavitcher who sits in the rain and tell me if he has an issue with it. Don't let your hair turn white searching.

[Lurker]

Ok so the point you’re making is that you have a similar attitude to sukkos as you have towards other exciting activities so it doesn’t bother you. We went through this earlier where I questioned how universal that feeling was. I have nothing to add and I appreciated that Rav Rapoport seems to agree with me that that reason can’t be used as broadly as it is.

With all due respect to anyone who is giving an opinion on this, until you actually live the life of a chossid, how can you pasken on what is/isn't mitztayer someone else? While we follow the same SA, the entire mehalech and chinuch gives a completely different outlook on various aspects of Yiddishkeit, and tzaar is a feeling, not a universal state of being.

[moko]

Go find me a Lubavitcher who sits in the rain and tell me if he has an issue with it. Don't let your hair turn white searching.

I've personally heard several grumbling about it on private....of course in public, that's a different story

[imayid2]

{Citation Needed}

I write “seems to” because he isn’t directly talking about Chabad. But his whole piece is clearly coming to defend their practice so he is applying it to them as well.

[imayid2]

i know....those silly Talmud Rabbis.....think they know better than us Hassidic folk....if only they were Hassidic

Rabbi Rapoport takes that question very seriously! עיין שם

[EliJelly]

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Fits well with @ExGingi's slogan how everyone is actually a Lubavitcher. I grew up with this.

[EliJelly]

The real question is if one out a thousand outcast person in Lubavitch really isn't in the mood of eating supper in the rain, but does anyway, does he make a Bracha?

[imayid2]

tzaar is a feeling, not a universal state of being.

The problem is that that doesn’t necessarily give a Halachik justification. There are different levels of the “universal state of being”, the previous Halachik justification was reserved for the very top.

[Yehuda57]

I've personally heard several grumbling about it on private....of course in public, that's a different story

I was once part of a group flown on a private jet to the super bowl. Less than a minute after getting on the plane most of the group who had never flown private before was grumbling about things like, "there are no charging ports", "this plane is so dated", and such.

Don't confuse grumbling for tzaar.

[yelped]

The real question is if one out a thousand outcast person in Lubavitch really isn't in the mood of eating supper in the rain, but does anyway, does he make a Bracha?

100%. Then he may have to rely on R"Y and the other definition of ספק ברכות להקל and it can get tricky.

But that is not the discussion here. @imayid2 wants to say that it is impossible that 98% of Lubavitchers want to eat in the Sukka even if it rains.

[Dan]

The 99% have extra תענוג, knowing we're having a yechidus with the אייבישטער

[imayid2]

But that is not the discussion here. @imayid2 wants to say that it is impossible that 98% of Lubavitchers want to eat in the Sukka even if it rains.

That is NOT what I’ve said.
Wanting to eat in the Sukka despite the rain does not equal Halachik justification to make a bracha. It’s a much higher bar than that. The spiritual distress at not being mekayem a mitzva would have to be greater than the physical pain being felt. It is clear that those who gave this reason felt it only applies to a select few.
Feel free to convince yourself otherwise and write this off as a guy who simply cannot get it. Like I said this is why I like R. Rapoport, he speaks my language. Even if I don’t completely agree, he successfully shows that it isn’t as “bad” as I assumed, there is a very major rishon, רבינו ירוחם, who would not consider it a bracha lvatala, and shows beautiful with a דקדוק לשון from the לבוש that this is taken somewhat into consideration. עיין שם