Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons

[Pony]

Why does the Alter Rebbe bring the פטור of מצטאר in shulchan orech haraav but not mention the mitigating factor of the taanug ruchni

[ExGingi]

Can we just agree that Lubavitchers don't mind the שמייסען they will get for making a ברכה לבטלה according to many (most?) opinions while eating in the Sukkah in the rain, as long as they get to also dance in Simchas Beis Hashoeiva in the rain?

[imayid2]

Can we just agree that Lubavitchers don't mind the שמייסען they will get for making a ברכה לבטלה according to many (most?) opinions while eating in the Sukkah in the rain, as long as they get to also dance in Simchas Beis Hashoeiva in the rain?

Antinomianism? עבירה לשמה? I suspect this would make a lot of people uncomfortable.

[EliJelly]

וכשם שמותר לפנות מן הסוכה מפני הגשמים כך מותר לפנות מפני השרב או מפני היתושים אפילו אין האדם מצטער בכך אלא שהתבשיל מתקלקל בכך וכן אם העת קור שהמאכלים השמינים נקרשים בסוכה אוכל כל סעודתו בבית:

כל הפטור מישיבת הסוכה ואינו יוצא מהסוכה אינו מקבל שכר על אותו ישיבה ואינו אלא מן ההדיוטות:

This is a quote from the Shulchan Orech Harav. At what point did chabad change?

Why does the Alter Rebbe bring the פטור of מצטאר in shulchan orech haraav but not mention the mitigating factor of the taanug ruchni

The שלחן ערוך הרב was created as a work of pure Halacha, without anything else which is not according to פשטות הלכה. Even when he brings a differing הנהגה על פי האריז׳׳ל, usually those that the באר היטב also brings, he'll just write "ויש נוהגין מטעם הידוע להם" without going into any detail.
 
(In Sidur - printed in the back - he paskens sometimes differently than what he writes in שלחן ערוך הרב)

[Pony]

The שלחן ערוך הרב was created as a work of pure Halacha, without anything else which is not according to פשטות הלכה. Even when he brings a differing הנהגה על פי האריז׳׳ל, usually those that the באר היטב also brings, he'll just write "ויש נוהגין מטעם הידוע להם" without going into any detail.
 
(In Sidur - printed in the back - he paskens sometimes differently than what he writes in שלחן ערוך הרב)

Interesting.

Does he mention the ptur of taanug ruchni in the siddur?

[EliJelly]

Interesting.

Does he mention the ptur of taanug ruchni in the siddur?

Without double checking, I don't believe so. Otherwise that would have been the first go to source.

[aygart]

The mitigation to avoid any possible tzaar is the same as what people to do see Niagara/Victoria/Iguazu Falls. You wear a poncho. Put on a pair of waterproof pants. Enjoy the show. I've been privileged to see all 3 and don't recall feeling any tzaar.

Amazing how they c"v outsmarted chazal. If only chazal would have gone to these places.

[koplonko]

The real question is if one out a thousand outcast person in Lubavitch really isn't in the mood of eating supper in the rain, but does anyway, does he make a Bracha?

One out of a thousand only eats when it's raining

[EliJelly]

One out of a thousand only eats when it's raining

?

[ExGingi]

Antinomianism? עבירה לשמה? I suspect this would make a lot of people uncomfortable.

ח"ו.

I was just trying to cut the discussion short, based on what was already brought here יש להם על מי שיסמוכו even if it is a דעת מיעוט and a דוחק. So in this case I think Lubavitchers (בפועל) will gladly rely on that, only to be able to say another ברכה.

[Pony]

Without double checking, I don't believe so. Otherwise that would have been the first go to source.

Is there any mesorah on how the Alter Rebbe was noheg? Did anyone hear that he made a laishaiv while eating in the rain?

[EliJelly]

Is there any mesorah on how the Alter Rebbe was noheg? Did anyone hear that he made a laishaiv while eating in the rain?

Again

I don't believe so. Otherwise that would have been the first go to source.

[Pony]

Again

So who is the first recorded rebbe to be noheg this way?

[imayid2]

So who is the first recorded rebbe to be noheg this way?

The Riyatz in 1932 seems to have started the bracha aspect. Or perhaps he was noheg like that for himself and it was copied as a כיון דנפיק מפומי׳

[Dan]

Amazing how they c"v outsmarted chazal. If only chazal would have gone to these places.

Did ponchos exist in the times of amoraim or rishonim? Hooded raincoats? Waterproof pants?

[aygart]

Did ponchos exist in the times of amoraim or rishonim? Hooded raincoats? Waterproof pants?

Any half decent animal skin would keep you dry for more than enough time to eat.

Is this minhag at all dependent on having those?

[koplonko]

?

Waits till it rains and then joyfully goes into the sukka for taanug ruchni

[Pony]

The Riyatz in 1932 seems to have started the bracha aspect. Or perhaps he was noheg like that for himself and it was copied as a כיון דנפיק מפומי׳

Interesting that none of the earlier chabad rebbes seemed to go with the taanug ruchni svara.

[koplonko]

Interesting explanation of making a Bracha on a minhag even when no mitzva was performed, if the mitzva exists in general.
From rav tuvia Weiss zt"l

[imayid2]

Interesting explanation of making a Bracha on a minhag even when no mitzva was performed, if the mitzva exists in general.
From rav tuvia Weiss zt"l

He is referring to a מנהג ותיקין which was established by Rishonim. Not quite the same.