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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #260 on: September 23, 2013, 09:40:46 AM »
I'm joining this conversation a bit late, I just wanted to point out to all those claiming that chabad is being 'meikil' on the Halacha of Mitzta'er, try being a guest by a lubavitcher when it's raining...
That's exactly the point- oser es hamutar umatir as hassur (and mekil on simchas yuntif)
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #261 on: September 23, 2013, 09:45:25 AM »
That's exactly the point- oser es hamutar umatir as hassur (and mekil on simchas yuntif)
The point was that the reason we don't sleep in the sukkah is obviously NOT because we're looking for an excuse to sleep in our warm beds at home

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #262 on: September 23, 2013, 09:47:21 AM »
BTW @galitzyaner: thanks for that letter, I don't think I ever saw it before and it clarified some points for me.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #263 on: September 23, 2013, 10:21:14 AM »
Since this discussion the chabad stocks went down.
I just placed some money chabad, as I believe they will go up again.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #264 on: September 23, 2013, 10:30:12 AM »
mekil on simchas yuntif
The notion that my yuntif meal a couple days ago in the rain wasn't enjoyable is laughable.  Far more enjoyable that the notion of eating a meal a yuntif meal on sukkos outside of a sukkah.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #265 on: September 23, 2013, 10:36:32 AM »
The notion that my yuntif meal a couple days ago in the rain wasn't enjoyable is laughable.  Far more enjoyable that the notion of eating a meal a yuntif meal on sukkos outside of a sukkah.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #266 on: September 23, 2013, 10:39:38 AM »
The notion that my yuntif meal a couple days ago in the rain wasn't enjoyable is laughable.  Far more enjoyable that the notion of eating a meal a yuntif meal on sukkos outside of a sukkah.
But shouldn't that depend on the individual and not be a blanket minhag?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #267 on: September 23, 2013, 10:42:07 AM »
No succos decorations in chabbad?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #268 on: September 23, 2013, 10:49:01 AM »
No succos decorations in chabbad?
the Sukka is so beautiful anything more is taking away from it's beauty

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #269 on: September 23, 2013, 10:55:38 AM »
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The most Freiliche Yom Tov meals I've experienced were in drenching rain.
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But shouldn't that depend on the individual and not be a blanket minhag?
It's a state of mind that we strive to reach.  And most guys who go through the Chabad system do reach it.    Obviously one can do what they want, but after learning the chasidus/kabala behind the importance and meaning of the sukkah the notion of rain hindering it is laughable.  Similar to the beard-some guys may be on the fringes, but often the beard is that last thing to go as it's importance al pi chassdus is stressed so much.  But if someone doesn't feel it they're free to do what they want.

My 10th grade rebbie told a story from when he was on bochur shlichus. He bumped into a woman who was walking in the pouring rain with no umbrella.  When they offered her theirs she asked if they were chabad chassidim.  When they answered affirmatively she told them that she used to work in the house of the Rebbe.
One day it was pouring and she didn't make it to the store to buy milk for the Rebbe's mother.  The Rebbe then insisted on going out himself to buy the milk and the least she could do was offer him an umbrella.
"Why would I want to separate myself from Gds blessings" was the Rebbe's response.  Since then she had never used an umbrella.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #270 on: September 23, 2013, 11:01:13 AM »
But shouldn't that depend on the individual and not be a blanket minhag?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #271 on: September 23, 2013, 11:06:05 AM »
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It's a state of mind that we strive to reach.  And most guys who go through the Chabad system do reach it.    Obviously one can do what they want, but after learning the chasidus/kabala behind the importance and meaning of the sukkah the notion of rain hindering it is laughable.  Similar to the beard-some guys may be on the fringes, but often the beard is that last thing to go as it's importance al pi chassdus is stressed so much.  But if someone doesn't feel it they're free to do what they want.

My 10th grade rebbie told a story from when he was on bochur shlichus. He bumped into a woman who was walking in the pouring rain with no umbrella.  When they offered her theirs she asked if they were chabad chassidim.  When they answered affirmatively she told them that she used to work in the house of the Rebbe.
One day it was pouring and she didn't make it to the store to buy milk for the Rebbe's mother.  The Rebbe then insisted on going out himself to buy the milk and the least she could do was offer him an umbrella.
"Why would I want to separate myself from Gds blessings" was the Rebbe's response.  Since then she had never used an umbrella.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #272 on: September 23, 2013, 11:07:28 AM »
The notion that my yuntif meal a couple days ago in the rain wasn't enjoyable is laughable.  Far more enjoyable that the notion of eating a meal a yuntif meal on sukkos outside of a sukkah.
I wouldn't call that the norm. 

I can't imagine that most people "enjoy"  eating soggy food while getting drenched. 


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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #273 on: September 23, 2013, 11:09:21 AM »
I wouldn't call that the norm. 

I can't imagine that most people "enjoy"  eating soggy food while getting drenched. 
Then you must not have too many Chabad friends and/or never eaten by a Chabad meal in the rain on Sukkos.
Also a sideways box does wonders to keep your food dry.  And these days we have wonderful creations called coats and rainhats ;)
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #274 on: September 23, 2013, 11:10:59 AM »
I wouldn't call that the norm. 

I can't imagine that most people "enjoy"  eating soggy food while getting drenched. 


They may not enjoy soggy food but they DO enjoy sitting in the sukkah so much that the soggy food is forgotten...

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #275 on: September 23, 2013, 11:12:30 AM »
They may not enjoy soggy food but they DO enjoy sitting in the sukkah so much that the soggy food is forgotten...
And there's nothing like singing in the rain!!!
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #276 on: September 23, 2013, 11:37:09 AM »
I wouldn't call that the norm. 

I can't imagine that most people "enjoy"  eating soggy food while getting drenched.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #277 on: September 23, 2013, 11:38:41 AM »
A half a bottle of maskeh and you too can enjoy a meal in the rain!  :D

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #278 on: September 23, 2013, 11:42:13 AM »
A half a bottle of maskeh and you too can enjoy a meal in the rain!  :D
Listen at the minimum there's a chiyuv to have a revi'is wine besides kiddush.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #279 on: September 23, 2013, 11:43:08 AM »
Next topic: Hakafos on shmini atzeres.
Are there others who do this besides Chabad?
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